up a creek...where's that damn paddle...JJ

[DcifrThs]

super loose passive where the hell am i game.

EDIT: passive but not retarded, as in if somebody hits a good hand they'll raise but not many moves being made as is normally the case.

i get JcJs on the button, 6 limpers i raise everybody calls (blinds included) NINE of us for 2 bets...

Qs8s6c. every single person checks to me...i bet, 5 callers. 6 of us to the turn for 12 bbs.

Qs8s6c[As]. every single person checks to me. i ?

-Barron

[James282]

Keep betting, on the rare chance you are ahead every fold is so valuable.
-James

[DcifrThs]

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Keep betting, on the rare chance you are ahead every fold is so valuable.
-James

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a few notes: people playing Axo(s) can hit two pair. flush got there. if i bet and have to call a few more bets back to me i would have wished i checked. at the same time, if i check and let somebody with T8 hit two pair i will have cost myself the pot.

saying it like that makes me pretty sure i should bet because in the long run at WORST it's between a .25 and 1bb mistake (if most of the times i have to call 3 bbs thats a worst case scenario it still won't happen that often), but the times i don't bet the mistake is huge...

shoulda thoughta that before i posted lol. thanks james
-Barron

[James282]

I think because the pot is so big even the rarest of times that you are ahead(and the fact that you might even gain value from calls if your possible 11 out draw is good) make this bet good even though it feels so wrong. If you described these players as smarter or more aggressive, however, I'd be more inclined to check.
-James

[Guy McSucker]

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at the same time, if i check and let somebody with T8 hit two pair i will have cost myself the pot.


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Admittedly i don't play these stakes and have never even watched a game, but it seems to me that the pot is so large, the only hand that can outdraw you which might fold on the turn is one containing a non-spade K and nothing else worthwhile, and this guy only has two outs. I really doubt checking it through on the turn costs you much.

If someone with T8 is going to fold to your bet, you should definitely bet, though.

Guy.

[DcifrThs]

i mean that it will be a bigger mistake than checking could be if i don't make him pay for that 5 outer... but if he'll 100% call anyway its really only a fraction of a bet and not the pot.

-Barron

[steveyz]

I disagree. Checking will not be a big mistake here. You are still assuming that you have the best hand on the turn. What do you think the chances of that are? I don't think it's very high. There's really no need to get those 5-outers to fold or pay as they are taking away pot equity from your opponents who have a lone Q or A and without a spade, not from you. The only times they are taking equity from you is when you still have the best hand, which I think is less than 5% here, perhaps much less.

[1800GAMBLER]

Just the fact you have Js makes this a bet. You easily have overlay given your chances you are ahead + chances you are drawing. Gettng raised by the player on my right would make me choke on my own vomit though.

[DcifrThs]

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Gettng raised by the player on my right would make me choke on my own vomit though.


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LOL, my sentiments exactly...but you and james are right and i should definately bet.

now i think i'll post the results here:

i pussied out and checked. river pairs the bottom card. checked to a guy 2 to my right. he bets folded to me i obviously call and a guy in ep raises one cold caller and the original bettor calls and i fold (that is the one thing on the later streets im 100% sure is correct). ep riaser flips over a king and the paired bottom card for trips. the other two guys had a queen and a lone ace respectively.

-Barron

[Gabe]

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i should definately bet.


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Why?