Dealer keeps showing people my cards

One solution that some rooms are going to is the "Only Players Involved in a Showdown Can ask to see a hand" rule. PErsonally i think this rule is worse than the older general rule.

There are two problems with this rule.

1) If the purpose of the rule is to detect collusion, why should only a player who pays off the last bets be allowed to detect collusion. If you really think there is cheating going on you shouldn't have to pay the cheaters to get the evidence.

2) It feeds the "I paid for the information" mentality that leads to abuse.


The rule I advocate is this --- No player gets to see a mucked hand (of course show one show all still applies). but if a player suspects collusion the hand is held aside for inspection by the floorperson who may reveal the contents of the hand if he deems it appropriate. This rule could apply at any time in the hand, not just show down -- so a player mucking their hand to a bet could still be subject to inspection.

I think this would greatly cut down on the number of requests.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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The rule I advocate is this --- No player gets to see a mucked hand (of course show one show all still applies). but if a player suspects collusion the hand is held aside for inspection by the floorperson who may reveal the contents of the hand if he deems it appropriate. This rule could apply at any time in the hand, not just show down -- so a player mucking their hand to a bet could still be subject to inspection.

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I think Mike O'Malley wrote about this in a Card Player column about six months ago. I'm on the way out the door but maybe someone can post a link.

~ Ricke

[AAmaz0n]

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Some of you guys might want to read esteemed 2+2 poster Tommy Angelo's thoughts on the "I Want to See That Hand" rule.. We also had at least one long thread on this a few years back but who has the time to search for it?

~ Rick

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good article. I agree with his reasoning.

Shauna

Be a dick.

1. Use the IWTSTH rule on him mercilessly
2. Slowroll as much as possible, as badly as possible
3. Laugh at him when he loses, even when you're not in the hand

[Mackie]

Sit in the 1 seat where you can easily reach the muck. The 4 seat may work too. When you fold on the river and you think somone will ask to see your hand, quickly fold but do so one card at a time, buring each card individually, making it nearly impossible to retrieve the correct cards.

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Sit in the 1 seat where you can easily reach the muck. The 4 seat may work too. When you fold on the river and you think somone will ask to see your hand, quickly fold but do so one card at a time, buring each card individually, making it nearly impossible to retrieve the correct cards.

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OR... just show down your hand like a good boy. Dont try to cheat the rules... just do it. You lost the hand. Sorry - you gotta pay the price to see the winning hand and part of that is giving up the info on the losing hand.

[Mackie]

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OR... just show down your hand like a good boy. Dont try to cheat the rules... just do it. You lost the hand. Sorry - you gotta pay the price to see the winning hand and part of that is giving up the info on the losing hand.

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This is one of the dumbest responses I've seen. Even if what I suggested was breaking the rules - which it is not - the rule is there for a reason, and when it is being abused for another reason I have no problem with breaking it.

I suggested mucking quickly before anyone can ask to see your hand - that is certainly NOT against the rules. Showing a losing hand is not the price of calling down, the money it costs to call is.

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OR... just show down your hand like a good boy. Dont try to cheat the rules... just do it. You lost the hand. Sorry - you gotta pay the price to see the winning hand and part of that is giving up the info on the losing hand.

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This is one of the dumbest responses I've seen. Even if what I suggested was breaking the rules - which it is not - the rule is there for a reason, and when it is being abused for another reason I have no problem with breaking it.

I suggested mucking quickly before anyone can ask to see your hand - that is certainly NOT against the rules. Showing a losing hand is not the price of calling down, the money it costs to call is.

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Dumbest response aside, I still dont get why everyone is in such a huff about showing down your losing cards. You were the idiot that went to showdown with a loser. Admit you sucked and move on.

Personally, I think everyone should show down cards and mucking should be against the rules. But I would imagine that I am in the minority.

[Mackie]

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Dumbest response aside, I still dont get why everyone is in such a huff about showing down your losing cards. You were the idiot that went to showdown with a loser. Admit you sucked and move on.

Personally, I think everyone should show down cards and mucking should be against the rules. But I would imagine that I am in the minority.

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There is nothing idiotic about having a losing hand at the river. You had pot odds to draw, you missed, now it's checked around. Someone shows a winner, you muck, and then someone asks to see your hand. People get upset about this because they ask only to get a line on your play, which isn't why the rule exists.

If you want a game where everyone is required to show at the river just play online.

[AAmaz0n]

1. Hollywood park does suck. Other than taking advantage of the pony players who don't pay attention to their cards, there is no reason to go there. The Bike is much better.

2. For those of you who don't think that asking to see the cards is offensive, you don't understand the implication. The rule was designed to prevent cheating/collusion. When someone asks to see your cards, they are making an accusation at you.

My usual way of dealing with this is to fire my cards one at the time in different areas of the much so that there is no way to pick them out. I then tell the person that if they want to know what I had thay can ask me politely and I may tell them, however if they want to accuse me of cheating they can do it straight up to my face and we can have a conversation about it outside.

I am very "old school" when it comes to etiquette at the table. I understand that there has been a large influx of newbies the last few years that don't understand the rules of behavior, but that doesn't mean that I have to tolerate all kinds of rudeness. Accusing someone of cheating is very rude.

Shauna