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#51
10-13-2005, 03:43 AM
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Re: A quick question for college students about encouragment
Wow, there are a lot of PC pussies around here. The only thing wrong is you should have left out 'Dear' at the beginning of the note, and 'Very sincerely, Jason' at the end of the note. Also the second sentence would sound better as, "The level of effort put into this solution set is not acceptable."
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#52
10-13-2005, 03:54 AM
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Re: A quick question for college students about encouragment
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[ QUOTE ] I would drop the class, to be honest. [/ QUOTE ] Anything difficult isn't worth doing. [/ QUOTE ] Dunno if you are being sarcastic or not, but that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm a junior, and I'm taking grad level classes right now. But if a prof. wrote me a note like that, I would just drop the class. Just rubs me the wrong way, not much else to say.
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#53
10-13-2005, 03:59 AM
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Re: A quick question for college students about encouragment
Exactly.
There are lots of different profs, and lots of different opportunities. Theres no reason to pidgeonhole yourself into one bad class.
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#54
10-13-2005, 04:00 AM
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Re: A quick question for college students about encouragment
Why be a prick if you don't have to? That's my question.
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#55
10-13-2005, 04:13 AM
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Re: A quick question for college students about encouragment
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Why be a prick if you don't have to? That's my question. [/ QUOTE ] Well, my point is, you have to let the student know their work is certainly sub-par, but have to do it in a non-condescending matter. His second sentence combined with the dear and very sincerely, sound a bit condescending. But maybe you're right- you should just let poor work slide by in college and not be a prick, because once they work in the real world, their bosses will handle them with kid gloves too.
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#56
10-13-2005, 04:15 AM
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Re: A quick question for college students about encouragment
Is the student a freshman? A lot of times students have a hard time adjusting to being away from home from the first time and also trying to do well in school. The lack of effort might just be a side-effect of that.
Maybe there were extenuating circumstances and, for whatever reason, he couldn't put enough effort into this particular assignment. Who knows? Other times people slack off because they do not want to put in effort in something they do not understand and fail, so they just do really minimal effort to avoid failure. They fail but at least they didn't try and fail. Maybe he just thought the assignment was stupid so didn't bother with it. It could be anything. I'd let the first one go, and if he came back slacking on the next one, send him an email telling him that you noticed he wasn't doing too well on his problem sets and seeing if he would like to come see you in your office for a quick brush up. If he blows you off then don't bother any more-- it's not your job to hand hold him. I think the tone of your note makes it so there is sort of a rift between you and the student and will probably make him resent you. He will be unlikely to admit he needs help if you take that tone with him. Really, who cares if he fails or doesn't come to class or doesn't try at all. It doesn't affect anyone except him. No need to sort of harsh on him. Just let him know you noticed and are willing to help him. If he doesn't take the life preserver you throw him then who cares, let him drown.
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#57
10-13-2005, 04:20 AM
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Re: A quick question for college students about encouragment
Are my choices between "[censored] all over him" and "let it slide?" These choices suck.
I think the best possible tone here is to be "kidding on the square" - laid-back, yet serious and to the point. In that spirit, I think Jason's on the right track, though I'm uncomfortable with his bouquet of hearts.
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#58
10-13-2005, 04:21 AM
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Re: A quick question for college students about encouragment
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[ QUOTE ] Why be a prick if you don't have to? That's my question. [/ QUOTE ] Well, my point is, you have to let the student know their work is certainly sub-par, but have to do it in a non-condescending matter. His second sentence combined with the dear and very sincerely, sound a bit condescending. But maybe you're right- you should just let poor work slide by in college and not be a prick, because once they work in the real world, their bosses will handle them with kid gloves too. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, hello, I think giving a D- is enough hint that the work is subpar.
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#60
10-13-2005, 04:23 AM
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Re: A quick question for college students about encouragment
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But maybe you're right- you should just let poor work slide by in college and not be a prick, because once they work in the real world, their bosses will handle them with kid gloves too. [/ QUOTE ] Grades speak louder than words.
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