Pocket Tens vs. Dan H. at Legends

[DonT77]

Maybe I'm a little crazy, but I play this hand differently than most (and lose more chips than most?).

I like the PFR and the call. You are calling 1200 into a pot that has 3950 in it already and DH has 6000 more chips to go after in case you flop the set so you are getting implied odds of 8.3:1 on what figures to be about a 7.5:1 proposition.

Okay, you wiffed the flop - now what? Some say push, some say check fold. I say how about betting 2000 into the 5150 pot. 2000 is 33% of Dan's remaining stack - so you are essentially 'putting him to a decision for all of his chips'. If he can call off 33% of his stack with a hand less than TT - then good for him, but most of the time I think you are getting him to fold anything but AA/KK/QQ here (and an unlikely AQ).

This strategy (IMO) gives you the best of both worlds, if you are ahead then you win a nice pot and if you are behind you still live to see another day as you are check-folding any call or raise.

Good idea or bleeding chips?

[bruce]

After Dan bet I studied the board quickly and pushed. I felt
Dan with my two previous folds and his tight image was capable
of making this reraise with a smaller pair than mine, AK, and
obviously AA, QQ, and JJ. Would he reraise with AQ or AJ? I don't know, but I'm guessing probably not. We'll forget the
Harrington 10% bluff factor, because I don't think that existed with him that evening. Based on his range of hands
I thought I had a legitimate chance of having the best hand.
I also thought he might even fold JJ with the Queen on board.
Dan studied the board for seemingly ever and folded. I never did see his hand. I won the pot, but I'm still not sure if I played the hand correctly. Boy that was one tough
hand for me to play.

Bruce

[PrayingMantis]

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still not sure if I played the hand correctly. Boy that was one tough
hand for me to play.

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IMHO you played the hand beautifully.

[Flopzilla]

YOUR PREVIOUS TWO FOLDS BOUGHT YOU FOLD EQUITY.

AWESOME. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I won the pot, but I'm still not sure if I played the hand correctly.

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Congrats on taking one down from a master.

My questions would be these. Did you already have it in your head to check raise when you checked? If yes, then what did you think he held? If no, then what do you think he held?

[Scooterdoo]

Bruce, just read through the post and good hand. I would have made the same preflop raise. However, I think once he reraised you, you really only had two good choices: push or fold. I think Dan only calls you with AK, AA, KK, QQ (maybe JJ, but probably not). I also think, based on what I know about him, that he would definitely be capable of making a mini-raise as a 'move' and not necessarily with one of the top premium hands. In fact, I think if he was just some unknown player it would be much more likely that he had a top hand with the mini-raise. I know it worked out for you, but I really don't like calling that raise given that in most cases you only win if you hit the set. Yes, you won with a really big move on the flop, but I don't think that move would work for you most of the time. If you really read him as weak post flop, why not just push preflop?

[bruce]

Do you really think Dan will put his case chips in with AK?
He has six outs twice so with 4:1 odds isn't a call bad?.
If Dan does have AK do I want him to see all five cards? If
I push then he gets to see all five cards. I think he probably had a smaller pocket pair, because I would think if he had
AK he would have pushed BTF. If he did have a smaller pocket pair than obviously I should have pushed BTF. I don't know if he calls or not. By me not pushing I allow myself to be outplayed if an Ace or King come on the flop.
Perhaps I'm making this way too complicated.

Bruce

[West]

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Do you really think Dan will put his case chips in with AK?
He has six outs twice so with 4:1 odds isn't a call bad?.


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If he had AK he'd be slightly better than a 3:1 dog. But he doesn't know that you don't have AA-QQ.

[locutus2002]

That's great!

I can't imagine DH laying down JJ or AK getting ~4:1, so it looks like a smaller pair to me or air.

[ansky451]

Nice hand bruce.

To the guy who said fold JJ utg in a tournament- thats very horrible. I don't know how you could go far in a tournament without playing jacks tens and nines UTG. Waaaaaaaaay too tight IMO.