55: i hate jacks!!

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thx for all the replys...very informative...btw i folded cause im a pussy....taking ball growth vitamins tho... [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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Wow, double up on those vitamins. What's the point of even playing Jacks if you're just going to fold them on this flop? This is just about as good of a flop as you can hope for other than something like 8 J A rainbow.

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a min raise woulda been no good????

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At what point, after his bet? Just push it after his bet, you don't have many opportunity's like this in SNG's, and if you crash and burn, there's another one starting in a minute.

[Slim Pickens]

Here's what I really like abou tthe flop check in our two different scenarios.

1) Villain has AK/AQ/A7/Ax/KQ/TT- or any other crap we're beating: It gives him a chance to do exactly what he did, which is get scared and overbet the pot again. If Hero leads at this flop, Villain folds these hands without paying any more most of the time. Let him hang himself. Some people will even call the all-in with AK just to see if you were bluffing.

2) Villain has AA/KK/QQ/set: Very few players will fastplay a hand like this. In order to keep you in the hand, they'll do all sorts of wacky small betting and really get the minimum out of it, allowing you to check-call down. Sometimes they also play the hands you beat this way, so you still have to call.

The pointis I'm calling anything he puts into the pot now and checking the flop is the best way to get him to put his chips in.

Does anyone fold this preflop to the raise? I almost always would to a 5xbb raise if I limped pf - most flops I'll be scared of at least one overcard, and I'm out of position. Too tight? If folding JJ here is bad, how about 1010?

[HesseJam]

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Does anyone fold this preflop to the raise? I almost always would to a 5xbb raise if I limped pf - most flops I'll be scared of at least one overcard, and I'm out of position. Too tight? If folding JJ here is bad, how about 1010?

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If I have KK, I am scared of the one overcard, the A.

If I have JJ I am not that scared if only one of three overcards hits. Especially, if its a Q or a K I always bet out. Usually you'll take the pot right there.

Agreed, I lead a Kxx or Qxx flop too. The problem is when I'm called, which may happen less often than I'm giving credit for. Still, when it is called I have to shut it down on a non-jack turn, which informs the villain he can have the pot, with or without better cards. I'm starting to suspect I play too weak-tight.

[Slim Pickens]

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Does anyone fold this preflop to the raise? I almost always would to a 5xbb raise if I limped pf - most flops I'll be scared of at least one overcard, and I'm out of position. Too tight? If folding JJ here is bad, how about 1010?

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You are still better than 50/50 to flop at least an overpair when holding JJ preflop.

[KingDan]

I think this is a much better question with 88.


Whats your standard flop line here?