Anyone else hesitant with 33 in MP?

[waynethetrain]

The one fly in the ointment is a pre-flop raise!

Some percentage of the time, you will be raised pre-flop. In those cases, it will usually be -EV to play most of the low pairs. So if you are coming in early, you better make sure you are on either be on a very loose table or very passive table otherwise it will be tough to make up 2SBs.

[davelin]

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, BB folds, MP1 calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP1 has Ks 9d (straight, ten high).
Hero has 6c 6h (full house, sixes full of tens).
Button has Jh 9c (straight, jack high).
Outcome: Hero wins 23.50 BB. </font>

[GrunchCan]

If an occasional pot is raised PF when you have a low PP, it doesn't affect the EV of your play much. In effect, you have simply paid 8 SBs to see 7 flops. WHen all is said and done, the 1 extra SB you paid over the whole sequnce of flops isn't going to have much impact.

When the PFR does have an impact is when pots are PFRed frequently. If for instance every pot if PFRed, then that doubles the ammount of money you need to make with your sets in order to break even.

But why are we sitting at a table where every pot is PFRed? When I sit at a table, I want to be the aggressive one. I want my opponents to be as passive as possible. Granted, some pots are going to be PFRed at every table, but if you excercise good table selection, you can sit down where it won't have a big impact on the EV of playing low PPs.

So we come back to the same old mantra: If you can't limp in with a low PP in EP, your'e sitting at the wrong table.

[waynethetrain]

&gt;So we come back to the same old mantra: If you can't limp in with a low PP in EP, your'e sitting at the wrong table.&lt;

I agree. I just find that table textures change rapidly with all the people that come and go so quickly at PP. In fact, I think it's typical to sit down at a table that looks loose and passive and see it change rapidly as every TA player in the world gets on the waiting list. It's hard to notice the change until after at least an orbit or two.

So I still think that if you are playing those small PPs early you better be pretty sure about the texture.

[GrunchCan]

Your'e right about that, and I think its amplified when the bonuses are running. 2/4 has been much tougher than usual last week.

[VBM]

the tiniest of quibbles but i had this very same question and as i'm nearly math-retarded, some better minds than mine helped me with the specifics of flopping a set

[btspider]

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Does everyone call with ANY PP from MP? I'm finding it a little spewy with 22-66.

From 66 down I have one net winner. The rest are costing me a fortune...

Anyone with a ginormous sample making a decent amount with these?

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i haven't read all the responses, but i hope people aren't saying flat yes's or no's. in general, limp is correct, but you really need to be position aware (MP1 and MP3 are quite different), table texture aware, and know how many limpers to you.

2 limpers to you, easiest limp ever in MP1 - MP3.

1 limper to you, generally an easy limp in MP1, MP2. in MP3 consider raising 66. consider folding 22-55, but limping is fine if you know those behind you.

0 limpers to you, raise or fold in MP2-MP3. in MP1, you could still open-limp if the table is loose enough.