Empire $200k, on the bubble, play or not?

[schwza]

one thing i'm surprised no one has pointed out is that hero can call, lose the hand, and still make the money if a shorter stack busts in the same hand. maybe not too likely b/c hero is pretty short, but possible - would be a good idea to keep an eye on the other uber-shorts. if one of them is all-in on the blind or something, i think it's a push.

otherwise, i think it's a fold. i thought it was a push at first, but there were good arguments for folding in the thread.

[2005]

There was a guy with 186 chips and he wasnt all in this hand

Gavin

[Apathy]

I really would have folded this if I was in your spot, and if you wanted to go for the big money I would have pushed against one of 2005's steals around the bubble against you [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. I think one time you said you had A6 or something, if you were playing for first I think that might have been a good spot for your money (close though).

The thing is that a triple up really didn't ensure you much more money, and came with quite a bit of risk. If I was more certain that the money was going in heads up rather then against two opponents I would've pushed but in the situation you were in you had to be pretty sure you were getting two callers. Actually I'm pretty surprised they didn't check it down with the hands they had.

[2005]

well, apathy, the A6 hand would have been a terrible spot. I would have been forced to call with my hand(KJ) and he was giving me something like 3.5-1 in a spot where I'm not going to be worse than a 3-2 dog. In fact, I am going to post the hand where you pushed w/ AJ b/c I think that was a big mistake, but we'll see what the rest of the posters think.

Gavin

[Apathy]

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well, apathy, the A6 hand would have been a terrible spot. I would have been forced to call with my hand(KJ) and he was giving me something like 3.5-1 in a spot where I'm not going to be worse than a 3-2 dog. In fact, I am going to post the hand where you pushed w/ AJ b/c I think that was a big mistake, but we'll see what the rest of the posters think.

Gavin

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I think we have seperate definitions of the word *terrible* getting your money in as a slight favourite when 50 people away from real money is not *terrible*. I agree that it is not a push I was just pointing out an earlier spot where he could have considered gambling rather then the later one that was chosen.

[b0000000000m]

It looks like folding is the right play here, given the very flat payout structure after the initial big payoff for making the money.

What if you had JJ instead? Or TT?

These seem much more difficult than AK.

[b0000000000m]

My instinct is to play JJ and QQ, but ditch TT. I feel somewhat open to being convinced I'm wrong about JJ, but QQ seems to be not that difficult.

[iRoD]

My instinct is to play JJ and QQ, but ditch TT. I feel somewhat open to being convinced I'm wrong about JJ, but QQ seems to be not that difficult.

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to add to this post Boooooom. Your instincts to play top 10 hands in a situation like this is pretty meaningless...

The question here discusses a marginal choice rather than an easy one which negates the calling with QQ or JJ idea...

Cheers Pat [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

[Apathy]

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My instinct is to play JJ and QQ, but ditch TT. I feel somewhat open to being convinced I'm wrong about JJ, but QQ seems to be not that difficult.

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to add to this post Boooooom. Your instincts to play top 10 hands in a situation like this is pretty meaningless...

The question here discusses a marginal choice rather than an easy one which negates the calling with QQ or JJ idea...

Cheers Pat [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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AK is a top ten hand last time I checked

[iRoD]

I was only talking about the situation involving A6 as opposed to the original point about AK which of course is a top ten hand... thanks Apathy, your a pal.