Tourney report/some hands from the Legends of Poker $330NL at the Bike

[SossMan]

There IS a lot of luck in a tourney. You play the best you can, but you have to get lucky at some point. You have to get decent cards. Then you have to get a favorable flop. Then you have to have someone have a 2nd best hand to call your bet. Then you have to have your hand hold up. Then you have to repeat a few times.
I think there is much more luck involved than we who study the game would like to admit.

[sdplayerb]

Yes, in an individual hand, you obviously need a ton of luck.

But, over hundreds of hands, skill wins out.

I consider my luck to be when somebody plays terribly in a hand and gives me a ton of chips when I shouldn't have gotten them.
Not by calling poorly and sucking out.

I also consider it good luck, not to have had bad luck in the tourney.
Heck, my only two great starting hands of the night were where I lost almost all my chips.

But, you can't rely on luck as the way to make money in a tourney.
Skillful players are going to be the ones making money in the longterm..not those hoping to get lucky.

[cferejohn]

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Yes, in an individual hand, you obviously need a ton of luck.

But, over hundreds of hands, skill wins out.


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You're missing an "of thousands" in that sentence... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[SossMan]

I could correct a bunch of things in this post, but I choose to just correct one line:

SDplayerB said:
But, you can't rely on luck as the way to make money in a tourney.

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But, you can't rely on luck as the way to make money at tourneys.
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Take a stats class...or better yet, buy the 2002 WSOP DVD and see who won. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

zing!!!

[m2smith2]

First, he probably should have respected your raise more given you were UTG+1 and that you would have position on him for the rest of the hand. But, most pros believe than can outplay amateurs post-flop, so he could be biased to call.

On the raise, he was getting 1.8-to-1, and if he assumes that the UTG will call then it's 2.35-to-1. The raise wasn't that much protection. Of course, if you already had established your multiple, you don't want to give too much information away by altering your raise size.

Overall, I think it's safe to classify it as a bad beat. But, I don't think it's necessarily terrible for a pro to flat call with those odds when he assumes that he will outplay the amateur post-flop.

[sdplayerb]

Remember there was a flat caller in the middle also who easily could have a better ace.
I actually had only raised once before, and that was on the button after two limpers. And my hand wasn't shown, but was known not to be AA, KK or AK.

I agree pros think they can outplay players. I know I can outplay a lot of players postflop. But, when after your call you have slight more in your stack than what is in the pot, that is not such a situation. You outplay people when there are deep stacks.