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Re: Fish love to wait till the turn to push their sets
I love this reply, it clarifies the uncertainty of slowplaying enormously for me.
On certain tight tables though, I still think I like slowplaying even with available gutshots because it makes me very sad when I raise the flop, everyone folds and I scrape a meager pot. I'd rather take the chance of letting others draw thin and try win a bigger pot. I think the risk is worth it in certain situations. |
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Re: Fish love to wait till the turn to push their sets
in ML, it is better to error on the side of fastplaying your set than it is to slowplay...a lot better
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Re: Fish love to wait till the turn to push their sets
Grunch:
pf is fine, I usually try to limp with 77 & smaller as they are not worth much UI. flop - I actually like your call here. Since the bettor is 2nd of 5 players AND to your right, calling is a great way of seeing how many limpers you have. NOTE: only on a relatively uncoordinated flop like this one!! Turn - easy raise here. You actually made more here than calling. Riv - autobet. You lost 1-3 BBs easy. The 8 only helps a VERY unlikely 67. |
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Re: Fish love to wait till the turn to push their sets
Thanks all, the replies are food for thought. I think one of my bigger leaks is being far too passive on the river with big hands and is something I'm trying to work on.
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Re: Fish love to wait till the turn to push their sets
Why push small edges and not big ones. BET THAT RIVER. You should bet it every time. You should bet it with a hand like this even with top pair weak kicker. No one has indicated that they will check raise.
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Re: Fish love to wait till the turn to push their sets
Calling vs. raising the flop with sets is heavily board-dependent. I will typically go to war on the flop with a two-flush or two-straight on the board, and just check-call on a weakly coordinated board like this one. We are way ahead, and would like to extract an extra bet from our opponents with a nice raise/check-raise when the bet doubles and our opponents are making second-best hands.
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Re: Fish love to wait till the turn to push their sets
Betting this river is much much super duper really really more important than deciding whether to raise the flop or turn.
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Re: Fish love to wait till the turn to push their sets
betting this river isnt even a decision. its the equivalent to folding AA to a raise preflop
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Re: Fish love to wait till the turn to push their sets
*grunch*
It's situational. You want to do what will get the most bets into your pot and/or maximize your chances of winning. In your example hand, MP2 is directly to your right. If you think that CO, Button and MP1 are loose enough to call 2 cold, go ahead and raise. If you know they're weak-tight and will fold, thus getting you only one extra bet from MP2 instead of 3 from the other players, just call. I can't see any reason not to bet on the river, though. 67 is the only thing I can see beating you that wouldn't have three-bet you on the turn. A set of kings or 9s would probably have been aggressive there. The way MP2 slowed down after your turn raise, I'm guessing he had top-pair All in all, slow-playing isn't as useful as people think it is. |
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Re: Fish love to wait till the turn to push their sets
[ QUOTE ]
Betting this river is much much super duper really really more important than deciding whether to raise the flop or turn. [/ QUOTE ] Yea man, work on that river first. |
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