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Old 11-30-2005, 02:52 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: (6max nl100) bluff river?

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I hate the turn raise. Your hand is well consealed and it is unlikely that villain is folding the turn

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i thought there was a decent chance he'd fold a Q there, or maybe a weak A. i think i have a fairly convincing big A after that action.
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Old 11-30-2005, 02:58 PM
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Default Re: (6max nl100) bluff river?

Preflop is kind of pushing the envelope. Flop CB OK sure. Call the turn though. Or you can make an arguement for pushing the turn. But your "value bet" is too easy for him to call as he has shown too much interest in the hand. As played, give it up on the river.
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Old 11-30-2005, 03:18 PM
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Default Re: (6max nl100) bluff river?

fold preflop

as it played, give up after the flop
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Old 11-30-2005, 04:06 PM
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Default Re: (6max nl100) bluff river?

preflop good

turn call or push


I've been making these types of raises against marginal one pair hands and they have been consistently getting called. I'm pleased that I am putting villain on the right hand; but displeased that I'm not betting correctly to win the hand.
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Old 11-30-2005, 04:09 PM
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Default Re: (6max nl100) bluff river?

oops, I missed his OESD.. turn raise is fine, but I don't think villian is folding his A on the river.
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Old 11-30-2005, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: (6max nl100) bluff river?

preflop: fold
flop: given pfr, cb is ok...
turn: smooth call
river: check behind
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Old 12-01-2005, 05:51 AM
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Default Re: (6max nl100) bluff river?

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preflop: fold
flop: given pfr, cb is ok...
turn: smooth call
river: check behind

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I gotta agree that the turn is where it all went wrong. I really think that is a smooth call or raise big/push situation. By reraising small (and given action so far you must expect that bet to be called, right?) you've effectively killed all your chances of bluffing the river, not to mentioned you've paid way too much for your draw.

You could have called turn, being given 3.5:1 immediate odds on your draw, which is probably +EV given likely river action. Instead you put in $22, giving villain about 3:1 for his call, and leaving you with less than 2:1 on your $32 for your draw. Which is bad! Villain does not need much of a hand (which he didn't have either looking at results) to call this. Either call or bet more/push.

I'd definitely opt for the smooth call on the turn and see if you hit your draw. If you hit you'll likely get paid off at least a little more. If you don't hit, well it's bet or fold depending on your read (if he checks river, does he do this to induce a bet or because he's weak). With only $35 in the pot and around $70 behind, you have more options when it comes to bet size (its not push or check). A pot size bet might steal it ( as opposed to your turn bet), so I really like this line much better if you've "decided" to steal the pot.

I'm guessing a Q would most likely fold, but an A would likely call a PSB on the river given your own description of your play/image?
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Old 11-30-2005, 05:39 PM
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Default Re: (6max nl100) bluff river?

Hhere's another thought: Call the turn and bet every river card. This avoids facing a 3-bet on the turn, and a bluff is more likely to work if he checks the river.
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Old 11-30-2005, 06:01 PM
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Hhere's another thought: Call the turn and bet every river card. This avoids facing a 3-bet on the turn, and a bluff is more likely to work if he checks the river.

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you don't think that would be a likely Q/weak A that wants a small pot and will call the river?
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