Tournament Ruling: You make the call

[Melchiades]

Problem is he exposes his hand before BB has decided to call or not. Not that BB would ever fold, or should be unhappy about gaining this info.

[nightlyraver]

No, that's not the problem. You either use the textualist interpretation or the public policy interpretation. It's not the place of the floor to predict what BB would have done, basing the ruling on that prediction.

[Sorry, I'm a law student - this is how we think :P ]

[Shorty35]

Where I play, SB's hand is dead.

(And BB gets beaten up in the parking lot)

[madmisha]

I agree-beat up BB in the parking lot

Damn. I wrote up a very nice response to this and computer froze. Here's the frustrated version with poor attempts at copying lost wording:

It sucks, but the SB's hand is dead because this can be used as collusion.

To clarify, imagine that the tournament is on the bubble and SB shows a hand that let's BB know that the odds he's getting are slightly low. If BB folds here, it's usually a +EV play for both SB and BB, which means that the rest of the players in the tournament lose equity because SB showed his cards.

Since the floor can't distinguish between the example I just gave and this situation, the floor has to deal with them in similar ways--by killing the hand.

[Mez]

Haven't read any responses. IMO, this is a technicality, but the SB's hand is dead because he exposed his hand before declaring anything - "lets do it" is vague and his chips were moving in after exposing the hand.

Technically SB's hand is dead, IMO.

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Haven't read any responses. IMO, this is a technicality, but the SB's hand is dead because he exposed his hand before declaring anything - "lets do it" is vague and his chips were moving in after exposing the hand.

Technically its a fold, IMO.

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It has nothing to do with the fact that he hadn't declared his action yet, but the fact that another player still had to make a decision.

[Mez]

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Haven't read any responses. IMO, this is a technicality, but the SB's hand is dead because he exposed his hand before declaring anything - "lets do it" is vague and his chips were moving in after exposing the hand.

Technically its a fold, IMO.

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It has nothing to do with the fact that he hadn't declared his action yet, but the fact that another player still had to make a decision.

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yes, very poorly worded post. I should go back to lurking..ugg.. I know the key issue is that there is still action left, albeit quite an easy decision.

[locutus2002]

I would think his hand is dead after exposing his cards.
"let's do it" does not clearly imply all-in.
The subsequent action of grabbing all his chips is after his hand is dead.

On a sidenote: "poker players are scum"

[nightlyraver]

OK, so almost everyone seems to agree that the hand was dead. What was the actual ruling?