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#2
11-06-2005, 10:46 PM
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Re: (22) How can this call be -EV$?
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[ QUOTE ] Seriously, if you were the villian, wouldn't you be pushing with a huge range? [/ QUOTE ] with 16BB's, no [/ QUOTE ] uh, you have 16, but everyone else has 8 or less... so it's just as if you had 8bb. 
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11-06-2005, 10:48 PM
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Re: (22) How can this call be -EV$?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Seriously, if you were the villian, wouldn't you be pushing with a huge range? [/ QUOTE ] with 16BB's, no [/ QUOTE ] uh, you have 16, but everyone else has 8 or less... so it's just as if you had 8bb. [/ QUOTE ] so you're pushing with a huge range??
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#4
11-06-2005, 11:06 PM
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Re: (22) How can this call be -EV$?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Seriously, if you were the villian, wouldn't you be pushing with a huge range? [/ QUOTE ] with 16BB's, no [/ QUOTE ] uh, you have 16, but everyone else has 8 or less... so it's just as if you had 8bb. [/ QUOTE ] so you're pushing with a huge range?? [/ QUOTE ] Yes... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]. Often any two.
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#5
11-06-2005, 11:07 PM
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Re: (22) How can this call be -EV$?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Seriously, if you were the villian, wouldn't you be pushing with a huge range? [/ QUOTE ] with 16BB's, no [/ QUOTE ] uh, you have 16, but everyone else has 8 or less... so it's just as if you had 8bb. [/ QUOTE ] so you're pushing with a huge range?? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, definitely. It's the bubble, and i have 2x everyone else. And my effective stack is 8xBB. I'm pushing lots of cards.
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#6
11-07-2005, 04:19 AM
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Re: (22) How can this call be -EV$?
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Dude, you must be putting the villian on one tight ass range when you do the ICM calcs. Seriously, if you were the villian, wouldn't you be pushing with a huge range? [/ QUOTE ] I tried tight ranges, loose ranges, random ranges, everything, and I couldn't find a range of hands for villian to have to make this +EV. AK would have to beat the range of hands about 70% of the time for this to be +EV, if I did my ICM calcs right.
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#7
11-06-2005, 10:34 PM
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Re: (22) How can this call be -EV$?
I would rather lay this down and try to out play the other two short stacks, than take a coin flip here.
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#8
11-07-2005, 09:58 AM
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Re: (22) How can this call be -EV$?
Devil's advocate: I think this is a call.
It appears that against most ranges ICM shows a amall loss of equity. But if you win, you're now the big stack. Which means when YOU open push, it's now incorrect for villains to call without a high pair (or AK, I guess I'm arguing).
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#9
11-07-2005, 10:20 AM
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Re: (22) How can this call be -EV$?
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Devil's advocate: I think this is a call. It appears that against most ranges ICM shows a amall loss of equity. But if you win, you're now the big stack. Which means when YOU open push, it's now incorrect for villains to call without a high pair (or AK, I guess I'm arguing). [/ QUOTE ] This sounds like the Gigabet Theory of Stack sizes post: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rue#Post2610396 Making -EV plays to get into a different stack range. The caveat being that I don't believe he was advocating calls that would bust you out.
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#10
11-07-2005, 04:42 PM
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Re: (22) How can this call be -EV$?
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Devil's advocate: I think this is a call. It appears that against most ranges ICM shows a amall loss of equity. But if you win, you're now the big stack. Which means when YOU open push, it's now incorrect for villains to call without a high pair (or AK, I guess I'm arguing). [/ QUOTE ] they are too stupid to fold AK or 66 correctly which means they call and it hurts you
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