400nl AK line

[xorbie]

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If you raise I can almost gaurantee he 3-bets all in, and you are probably a slight dog. I would call here and bet the turn if checked to.

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Xorbie, what hand are you putting Villain on here? And, more importantly to me, are we calling partially because Villain has already charged himself a great deal if he is drawing OOP? 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], AQs, AK, AKs, and sets would all play this way from an aggressive player, right?

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That is my thinking, yes. If this guy is an agressive, tricky player then he has to know that Hero either hit the board hard, or can at least represent an A pretty convincingly. So villain is either purely bluffing here or is betting out with a hand which is strong enough to withstand a raise, because he has to know a value raise or even bluff raise is very possible on this board. If he has a set, I almost say so be it. I'm getting it in on a blank turn.

[Malachii]

Call and play pokah on the turn.

I too am sick of hearing it. There is no correct xbb raise preflop with any hand. It's one of the least objective parts of a line.

[AllIn3High]

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Call and play pokah on the turn.

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Ok, let's do that. Hero has $355 left. A few scenarios.


Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (Pot: $214)
Villian bets $150, Hero ??

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (Pot: $214)
Villian bets $150, Hero ??

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (Pot: $214)
Villian chceks, Hero ??

if you bet do you call a c/r ai? if you check behind how much do you call if villian bets on the river?

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (Pot: $214)
Villian chceks, Hero ??

if you check behind how much do you call if villian bets on the river (what if the river is a club)?

[AllIn3High]

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what line is he likely to take with a draw here?


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bet/3-bet, c/r or maybe c/c. if you could say for certain it wouldn't be that tough a decision [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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is he capable of a flop 3 bet with a draw?


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ofcourse, esp. if it's some kind of massive draw.

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or is he likely going to call your raise, check raise a blank turn with both a set and a draw?

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Unless my math is off there isn't enough money behind for villian to call a raise and c/r the turn as a bluff, so a turn c/r after calling a raise would be solely for value.

[AllIn3High]

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I also make it 25 preflop.

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Why do you ALWAYS recommend raising a bb or two more preflop? 5xbb raise pf is more than enough with ak-o.

I'm getting really sick of reading "I raise 1bb more pf".

Anyone else, or am I all alone here?


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it actually makes all the difference

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Ok, so the pot is now $104 on the flop, villian bets $75. You..?

[AllIn3High]

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raise without a solid read.

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A solid read that what?

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What flop are you hoping for if not this?

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That doesn't mean we have to blindly put all our chips in.

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If you can put him on a high pp most of the time, you can


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This would be a very odd line for villian to take with a high pocket pair.

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What clubs do you think he is calling with here?


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suited connecters.

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He called the raise before the limpers call so unless he's a donk he isn't expecting to get odds to play SCs or low PPs or K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] X[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].


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You don't think the limpers are calling the raies if Villian starts a call-fest?

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I wouldn't worry about a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the turn. Also hands that you dominate here (AQs) typically don't call raises pf without flush outs, knowing that they are probably dominated or flipping.

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This is 6-max, AQs figures to be the best hand a lot of the time. All hero did was raise from the button after 2 limpers, his range should be very wide here unless he's a total nit.

[Allinlife]

about the actual hand it self.

I think folding is good. solid player isn't betting into 3 players with less than 50% equity draws/ 2 pair/ sets so basically your only chance to wager money with decent edge is to push blank turn vs his 50% draws, but there's not much way to figure that out w/o committing your self at any point postflop.

it looks like even money or underdog situation so I think you should pass.

[JaBlue]

It is very scary when a good, solid, tricky player leads into the raiser on an ace-high flop. I would put him on 99, 66, or some kind of big draw here. He might also have AJ or AQ. I am definitely not raising here because a 3-bet all in will make me puke and I don't want to scare away AJ/AQ anyway.

I think you gotta fold. If you raise, you get 3-bet all in. If you call, he's probably open pushing just about any turn. Really nasty spot.

[Malachii]

These situations really depend on what I've observed from Villain. Any big hands I've played influence my decision making process a lot. These questions are very difficult to answer in a vaccum. That said...

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Turn: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (Pot: $214)
Villian bets $150, Hero ??

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I think calling here is the worst option because you're not making Villain commit anything if he has a draw and you're completely committed. I'm either pushing or folding.

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Turn: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img](Pot: $214)
Villian bets $150, Hero ??

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I give this one up here if you have no redraw.

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Turn: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
(Pot: $214)
Villian chceks, Hero ??

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I check it back. I'm not calling anything more than a $100 on the river.

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Turn: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (Pot: $214)
Villian chceks, Hero ??

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This is the most interesting case. You absolutely cannot give a free card in a pot this big, and it feels like any bet commits you. I bet $150. I don't think he ever checkraise semi bluffs here, so if he checkraises all in it really depends. The pot would be laying me a really good price, and if I can see him doing this with AQish I might call. Against most Villains I would fold despite my good odds.