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Re: Back to basics: HU with a crappy pair
Middle position could have so many hands that it's a debatable raise (on the flop) but probably will win enough to justify it. Turn fold looks solid as I don't see you winning this hand without another way to win like a backdoor flush draw.
[ QUOTE ] No notes and obviously just posted, so no reads. Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1. <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Hero (poster) calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>. <font color="blue">Dumb time to defend? I expected the blinds to be loose at a 1/2 table and expected at least one overlimp. Even in the off chance that they both fold, I'm still no worse than 4.5:1.</font> Flop: (5.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls. <font color=" blue">Dumb time to fight back? Does anyone call and raise a low turn? Or just dump it?</font> Turn: (4.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP3 thinks for a long time and bets</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: 5.75 BB [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: Back to basics: HU with a crappy pair
I'm fine with preflop. It sucks that neither blind came along.
I'm also fine with raising the flop. Peeling would be okay too, but when you consider that villain is betting this flop 100% of the time whether he hit or not, I think you're ahead often enough to stick in a value raise and take control of the hand. The turn fold is easy, especially given your play on the flop. Note that if you had merely peeled on the flop this would be a somewhat tougher laydown. When you show strength on the flop and *then* get donkbet, it's easier to get away from this one. (Don't get me wrong. If you had just called the flop I would still vote for folding the turn, but one hidden benefit to raising the flop is that you can dump your hand with more confidence later on if villain plays back). |
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Re: Back to basics: HU with a crappy pair
I like jrz's analysis on this one. I was thinking the same thing.
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Re: Back to basics: HU with a crappy pair
Me too, except for the part about folding the turn after a hypothetical flop call.
Also, is it my imagination, or is it never a bluff when somebody "thinks for a long time before betting" on the turn? Maybe you can lower his raising standards after he opens from MP1, or maybe not....this is kinda tough without a read. |
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Re: Back to basics: HU with a crappy pair
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Maybe you can lower his raising standards after he opens from MP1, or maybe not....this is kinda tough without a read. [/ QUOTE ] It was MP3, which is better than MP1 but yea a read is really important. |
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Re: Back to basics: HU with a crappy pair
Preflop is good.
Flop: Reads are important. Raising is better than calling because the hand plays much easier in any situation on the turn. Fold the turn. |
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Re: Back to basics: HU with a crappy pair
3 bet preflop.
-DeathDonkey |
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Re: Back to basics: HU with a crappy pair
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3 bet preflop. [/ QUOTE ] how low do you go when you 3 bet an LP opener? 78s seems a little crazy. Does it matter about your read on the blinds. I have been messing around with this. Don't you want some read or numbers on the opener before you 3 bet him? |
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Re: Back to basics: HU with a crappy pair
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3 bet preflop. -DeathDonkey [/ QUOTE ] Why? Like OP said, he wanted the blinds in there, why try and make this heads up? I'm not in total disagreemant with you, but I'd like to know your reasoning. My thought on 3 betting preflop would be to take control of the hand, buy the button (which I think has little value in this spot), possible advertizing (first impressions only come once), and maybe some fold equity. Why I don't like 3 betting is you could be HU in a smallish pot knocking out the blinds, a cap wouldn't be good IMO, and you could see a flop like that. Anybody else? |
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Re: Back to basics: HU with a crappy pair
There is no expectation to get a multiway pot. If the choice is between seeing a flop two ways or three ways I want two ways with the blinds in dead money every time. This hand isn't a big dog to hands besides overpairs and you have position and if you 3 bet, initiative.
Put it another way, why call his raise? You feel given the price you are offered your hand will not fair too poorly against his range of raising hands. Fold equity and buying the button are both very good reasons, don't dismiss them so quickly. Also folding preflop is a legitimate option. I would say I would 3 bet any hand I am going to play here based on the likelihood of a 2 or 3 way flop and my good position on just about everyone. -DeathDonkey |
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