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#1
09-06-2005, 07:17 PM
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Re: Blind Defense (In General)
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Do you hate it more than when he just calls and then CR the flop ? [/ QUOTE ] Me and Einbert were looking over this line, and it seems to get the defender in more trouble than it's worth. Look at it from the stealers point of view: He can bluff 3-bet here, he can 3-bet for value here, he can 3-bet for a free card, he can call and raise the turn, on a bluff or for value. That flop check-raise is just looking to get abused like Mason's ex-wife. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] 
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#2
09-06-2005, 07:40 PM
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Re: Blind Defense (In General)
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He can bluff 3-bet here [/ QUOTE ] And he couldnīt bluffraise if you 3bet preflop ? [ QUOTE ] he can 3-bet for value here [/ QUOTE ] And he couldnīt raise for value ? [ QUOTE ] he can 3-bet for a free card [/ QUOTE ] And he couldnīt raise for a free card ? [ QUOTE ] he can call and raise the turn, on a bluff or for value. [/ QUOTE ] And he couldnīt do that if you 3bet ? I dont think any of these should make you more apt to 3bet against guys who usually will let you check-raise. When you check-raise you are getting the same 3 bets as if you 3bet preflop, but you also get to see the flop first and doesnīt give him the option of capping.
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#3
09-06-2005, 08:06 PM
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Re: Blind Defense (In General)
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Do you hate it more than when he just calls and then CR the flop ? [/ QUOTE ] yes. this is my [censored] pet peeve. because they only do it when i miss and i have to make a marginal judgment about calling down or folding [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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#4
09-07-2005, 01:13 AM
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Re: Blind Defense (In General)
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Do you hate it more than when he just calls and then CR the flop ? [/ QUOTE ] i really feel this is one of the most important parts of blind defending. reasons for which action has not been discussed in any depth, yet is extremely important when you consider that it dictates play on 2 streets (and the 2 most common streets, i.e.: you will be battling on these streets the most).
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#6
09-06-2005, 06:24 PM
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Re: Blind Defense (In General)
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[ QUOTE ] Advantages: - We're in for one bet already, so it only costs one more [/ QUOTE ] so you mean, we have good pot odds? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I stand by my hatred for preflop pot odds. the point you quoted was dumb and/or misworded
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#7
09-06-2005, 07:33 PM
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Re: Blind Defense (In General)
ok I think I know what I meant. basically he's raising because he thinks his hand is worth 2 bets. our hand doesn't need to be worth 2 bets to call. only one.
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#8
09-06-2005, 08:04 PM
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Re: Blind Defense (In General)
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ok I think I know what I meant. basically he's raising because he thinks his hand is worth 2 bets. our hand doesn't need to be worth 2 bets to call. only one. [/ QUOTE ] but does it only need to be worth one to call, because he put 2 in, since we now have those good odds [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] lol, im sorry thief, Im just being a wank [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#9
09-06-2005, 06:05 PM
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Re: Blind Defense (In General)
Positionally, I am still losing more money in the BB than I would like. I feel comfortable in terms of proper tightness/pfr everywhere else, but damn BB is always (.05) more than I want it to be.
Btw, I like the showdown point. Definitely have to get to SD in the BB more, couldnt agree more. The key is tailoring your turn aggression version certain individuals. So post away.
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#10
09-06-2005, 06:39 PM
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Re: Blind Defense (In General)
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Positionally, I am still losing more money in the BB than I would like. I feel comfortable in terms of proper tightness/pfr everywhere else, but damn BB is always (.05) more than I want it to be. [/ QUOTE ] What is an average range of numbers that a decent player should be losing out of the SB and BB? I have no clue. Haupt_234
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