Very Passive w/ KK (Party 30)

[ggbman]

Bet the river.

[baronzeus]

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Bet the river.

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I think the idea here relates to clarkmeister's: if he bets this river, any non-diamond hand his opponent will fold, but he might take a stab at the pot if he checks here.

I think (time lag takes a stab at the pot) > (time lag calls a bet with trash) in general.

Plus, if the LAG takes a stab at the pot with a low diamond (7 or 8 or 9) and Hero raises him, he will call for an extra bet.

[ike]

Ok, everyone says bet the river, but what actual hands do you guys think he checks behind that would call a bet? What hands do you think bet and call a c/r? What hands bet and fold? Say this guy's capping range is something like AKo, AKS, AA-88.

[The Dude]

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what actual hands do you guys think he checks behind that would call a bet?

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Pretty much everything.

[gm4351]

Bet the river. Definitely. This guy is definitely calling you down. What else is he three betting the flop with? He probably hit a set and will pay you off.

No one suggested betting the turn - great opportunity for a semi bluff. If you get raised, you are still even money to hit by the river.

[Guruman]

check/calling this flop seems really passive to me. Someone please explain to me why c/r or leading is wrong here.

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[Marnixvdb]

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i think it was played fine --


being a lag player he would bet with a lot more hands on the river then he would call with -


cheers

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I doubt it. Villain capped PF so he has a hand with value. He would only bet this river as a bluff, but he will not have a hand he wants to bluff with. He wants to see the showdown cheaply with anything from two pair to a lower flush. It is possible he would bet a diamond, but I don't think he'd call a c/r with a diamond. Therefore it's better to bet, to extract value from a diamond or a worse holding.

[bobbyi]

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check/calling this flop seems really passive to me. Someone please explain to me why c/r or leading is wrong here.

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What hands are you beating on this flop? You really think the opponent made a goofy cap with 99 or AQ signficiantly more often than he caps with AA, AK, QQ, TT and JJ?

[SoSo]

Please explain why a semi-bluff flop raise is a bad thing?

[flawless_victory]

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what actual hands do you guys think he checks behind that would call a bet?

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Pretty much everything.

[/ QUOTE ]i completely disagree. sometimes it sucks to checkcheckcheck the nuts, but in this hand i dont thing a single decision was poor. well played, IMO.