Clarkmeister definition?

[CallMeIshmael]

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but you don't have the flush.

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This isnt part of it.

You bet regardless of whether or not you have a flush.

[Aaron W.]

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You're heads-up, out of position on the river. The river card puts four to a flush on the board, but you don't have the flush. According to the Clarkmeister Theorem, you should bet and fold to a raise.

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I don't think that's part of it. Everyone keeps saying it, but nobody has ever been able to show me where Clark says that.

And it was already pointed out that "have the flush" isn't part of the play, either.

[onthebutton]

Nice...thanks. I knew how to do it, I just didn't know the name for it. I'll have to look into this Clarkmeister's Theorem.

[A_C_Slater]

Why does it have to be the river? Can't it be used HU OOP on the turn when a 4th flush card hits? The intent behind this therom I believe is that if the pot has say 5 BB's in it and you bet the opponent almost can't call without a flush at that point. He might call, but will he not have a flush more than 1 in 5 times? Most likely he will not. Of course, the bigger the pot, the greater the EV+ of this play.

[Clarkmeister]

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nobody has ever been able to show me where clark says that.


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I never did.

If you get raised, it's generally a good idea to fold, but far from always. Sometimes, one just needs to play some poker. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[A_C_Slater]

I would like to add that I always use this play when presented the opportunity and the fold ratio is amazing, beyond my expectation.

[Catt]

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I would like to add that I always use this play when presented the opportunity and the fold ratio is amazing, beyond my expectation.

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Just keep in mind that the play is actually a value bet with what may be the best, but a marginal, hand, such as TPTK. The theory is that only a big flush (A, K, maybe Q) will ever raise. Most made flushes will simply call. But many 2nd best, non-flush hands will also call your bet. These 2nd best hands would in most cases have checked through the river in a heartbeat and you miss a bet. If Villain doesn't have a flush, there's a chance he folds a hand that beats you; but there's also a chance he folds a hand you had beat anyway.

[A_C_Slater]

More on this theorem I believe you are not supposed to bet if you have a small one card flush. Say the board is A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and you have A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], you should not bet, but check/call.

What better hand is going to fold? You will only cause a worse hand to fold by betting. And if you had a hand like A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] then you should bet in order to fold out hands like A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

[kapw7]

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More on this theorem I believe you are not supposed to bet if you have a small one card flush. Say the board is A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and you have A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], you should not bet, but check/call.
What better hand is going to fold? You will only cause a worse hand to fold by betting.

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Why not?[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] You have a draw to a straight flush.

[A_C_Slater]

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More on this theorem I believe you are not supposed to bet if you have a small one card flush. Say the board is A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and you have A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], you should not bet, but check/call.
What better hand is going to fold? You will only cause a worse hand to fold by betting.

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Why not?[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] You have a draw to a straight flush.

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This scenario occurs on the river. Notice the 5 board cards.