Flush Draw

[IMTheWalrus8]

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I would forget about protection and just bet the flop.
You have a huge equity edge against 5 players, so get your money in there.

If you check, it may get checked through. Someone in late position may bet as well. But, if someone has A9 and it gets checked to them, theyd probably bet, so you have no hope of folding that hand on the flop. A hand like A6 would probably not fold either, as theyd be getting 8:1 even facing two cold.

I would check the turn. You dont know youll get three callers to make this a good value bet. If MP1 bets and gets two callers, you can consider raising the turn for value.

Do you think Ace-high is good 5% of the time on the river?
What do you think two different people were raising you with?

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I was only raised once, and I could be against a busted flush draw and straight draw. But I'm not arguing my call anymore - it's a fold.

I like that turn advice, but I'm struggling with the wanting three callers thing. So this is not a case where I want less people in the pot because of the specfic draw I have? In other words, getting people to fold doesn't make my winning chances any better?

[cmwck]

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I would forget about protection and just bet the flop.
You have a huge equity edge against 5 players, so get your money in there.

If you check, it may get checked through. Someone in late position may bet as well. But, if someone has A9 and it gets checked to them, theyd probably bet, so you have no hope of folding that hand on the flop. A hand like A6 would probably not fold either, as theyd be getting 8:1 even facing two cold.

I would check the turn. You dont know youll get three callers to make this a good value bet. If MP1 bets and gets two callers, you can consider raising the turn for value.

Do you think Ace-high is good 5% of the time on the river?
What do you think two different people were raising you with?

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I was only raised once, and I could be against a busted flush draw and straight draw. But I'm not arguing my call anymore - it's a fold.

I like that turn advice, but I'm struggling with the wanting three callers thing. So this is not a case where I want less people in the pot because of the specfic draw I have? In other words, getting people to fold doesn't make my winning chances any better?

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Whoops, only read through once and forgot the specific action. Either way, you're right, Ace-high isn't winning one time in 100.

With your draw, your ace overcard only makes up 4-7% of the equity on the turn (depending on how you discount your ace outs). Your total equity is around 28%. Even if someone did have AJ, A9, or A6, they ain't folding for one bet on the turn. And if they did, your equity would only increase by 4%.

If you check, the next guy bets, and two people call, you will be putting in 25% of the money at that point. Since your equity is 28% you technically have a small equity edge, which you can exploit with a raise,

[Arcturus]

Point taken. You are right by saying you don't want people to fold. However, now you have me thinking? Would it be better to check-call with the intention to raise on the turn if you get a safe card. The reason I say this is what if you bet and MP1 still bets? Then there is a good chance that half the field or more would fold. If you get that flush, you won't get as much as you would if you just check-call.

I'm not trying to argue here. I'm just trying to figure out what is the best play to get maximum payout. Does this make sense?

[Aaron W.]

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I disagree with you. Your equity in this pot is not really tied to the number of players in the pot. You're drawing to the nuts. In fact, you want as many people in the pot as possible. They're paying you money now because of your equity edge, and will pay you a lot if you hit. The reason why you bet out instead of check/raising is not to fold people. What if, instead of MP1 betting, the button had bet? Now you're facing the entire field with two bets cold, and many more people will fold instead of paying you money. A check/raise can be either great or terrible depending on where the bet is coming from (assuming it comes). Since you don't know in advance where the bet is going to be, you should do the betting.

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Not only do you now know where, but there's an "if" factor here (though it's small for this particular hand). Besides... I want a 3-betting opporunity with this hand.

[Duerig]

Eh, I don't like a lot of the things you did here.

1. I don't like trying to check raise after you are the lone pf raiser. There is no reason to believe it won't get checked through.

2. Bluffing at the turn is, I think, a bad idea. You aren't going to be able to get 4 people to fold.

3. Why call the river?

I would probably bet and 3 bet the flop, check-call the turn and fold the river.

[cmwck]

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The reason I say this is what if you bet(the flop) and MP1 still raises?

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I fixed your post ; hopefully this is what you were trying to say?

By the way, you have no idea if MP1 will raise or not.