2+2 SNG Game Survey

[t_perkin]

All of those who wish to could agree to exchange hand histories.

I would be willing to do this every week.

Tim

[DrPhysic]

Definition of purpose please:
If Doc and Bluff1, and Stoneii, and Tim, and maybe Vinny want to have a showall just for fun and to compare notes, fine.

We are, however, already imposing to some extent or other on the $215 set to come down to a cheap level to play with us. Asking William, or Al, or Cris, or Stagemusic, or wayabvpar, etc to also show us how, when, and why they are doing what they are doing to us, might be asking a bit much.

Doc

[ThaSaltCracka]

I don't like showing everyhand. I don't think this is a good idea at all, sorry [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[CrisBrown]

Hi Doc,

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We are, however, already imposing to some extent or other on the $215 set to come down to a cheap level to play with us. Asking William, or Al, or Cris, or Stagemusic, or wayabvpar, etc to also show us how, when, and why they are doing what they are doing to us, might be asking a bit much.

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I haven't been playing SNGs for over a week -- William convinced me to try ring play, and I like it -- but I'll probably go back to the occasional SNG, and I'd definitely play in the 2+2 events simply because I enjoy the social element.

That having been said, though, I don't like the idea of being required to show hands, because it takes away a big part of the game: deception. When someone's been sitting tight for a half-hour, and suddenly gobbles up four or five pots in a row ... are they steals, or a run of hot cards? Trying to pick up the differences is a big part of reading players and hands, and if you're seeing that hand-by-hand, you really don't learn as much (IMO).

I wouldn't mind if, after the tourney, in the results threads here, people asked what I had in various hands. I do get hand histories (for PokerTracker), so you can ask me by hand number, or just describe the situation: blinds, stack sizes, bets, etc. and I can probably figure it out.

Cris

[DrPhysic]

Cris,
Despite my thought that showall is not a good idea, I completely agree with you that more, after the fact, specific hand analysis and discussion would be a very good thing.

Doc [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[William]

I'm sorry to hear that game the is moving to thursday. The only days I am in front of my screen most of the night (these things start at 03:30 AM for me) are monday and wednsday. I ocasionally can play an EUROSNG on tuesday if I can get the computer from my kids (they spend the night at my place on tuesdays), byt thursday is going to be very difficult.

The SNG to the 215$ tourney is of no interest to me. Weekends are very difficult to commit to (mainly because of the kids) and I also think that if you are targetting a big tournament, there is no need to make it harder on yourself by playing against other 2+2s.

The leaderboard idea is fine, it will probably help keeping the interest in the SNGs.

I am not a big poster of hands. I do discuss those posted by others ocasionally, as long as it is not a subject we have debated 100 times already.

Showing hands: hmm as much as I like to help, and as far as I am concerned, I do think that it is asking too much. I agree with Cris here (I can't believe I just wrote that [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] but ok, it's not a game situation, just an opinion) and I don't mind telling what I had if asked by somebody I like (that would be most of you).

I'll try of course to join you whenever I can, but with the change of day, I can't really see that hapenning right away.

Take care,
William

[Stagemusic]

I have to say that I don't mind the idea of sharing hands for the most part and I have to disagree with Cris here although I do understand what she is saying and I have no problem with it.

I think that we at 2+2 are part of a community. The idea of community (yep the word has the same root as communism so just let it go) is to help those that are a part. If a trade of information will help any other member then it is to our benefit to do so.

By the way Doc, thanks for including me in your list. To be grouped with those fine players by my peers is indeed an honor. Even though I have really been playing like crap the last couple of weeks [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] I have went back to the basics to find out where I lost some enthusiasm for the SNG's. Cris, I guess we have some things in common. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

I also support the Thursday move as I work very early in the day ( 5:00 am CST ) and Friday is the day that I am most likely to be off.

[CrisBrown]

Hiya Stage,

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Even though I have really been playing like crap the last couple of weeks I have went back to the basics to find out where I lost some enthusiasm for the SNG's. Cris, I guess we have some things in common.

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I think we all go through these times. I know that moving to ring game play has been a boon for me, both financially and emotionally. I made almost $2K last week in $2/4 NL ring play, and that obviously that felt good, especially when I'd just made a big withdrawal to pay my mortgage ... which also felt good! Plus there's less pressure in a ring game; the blinds don't increase, there's no one "winner," you can rebuy, come and go as you please, etc.

So yes, I think if you're feeling burned out on SNGs, moving to ring play -- even temporarily -- can be a good idea.

Cris

[Bluff1]

Looking at it now I agree that showing every hand is asking a bit much from the better players. Can't blame me for trying though [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. I do however like the idea of swapping hand histories and would be willing to do it with any player that wanted to. Also if you didn't want to thats okay as well. So I think we could work this out like this those who want to swap hand histories afterwards can and if some players don't want to that is fine.

[AleoMagus]

This post is mostly a bump

But, while I am doing it, do the players of these sngs want to call our new ongoing leaderboard series anything.

I suppose the 2+2 sng series is sufficient, and the leaders would just be the euro and N.American series leaders.

Are there any other name suggestions? Is naming an ongoing series that will never really culminate in a finale a good idea at all?

I know in the past some humorous names were suggested for individual tourneys. Legs Open, etc...

Any thoughts
Brad S