The definitive post on 22s v 33s (with some comments on 55s)

[splashpot]

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I see far too many good players pushing junk utg when they are short. For example, at t1100 with the blinds at 150/300 utg, I will frequently see players shove any two. This is a huge mistake

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I agree. I see that a lot on this forum too. Otherwise great players would rather push junk UTG than let the blinds go through them. fwiw, I HATE pushing junk UTG.

[Snarf]

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I see far too many good players pushing junk utg when they are short. For example, at t1100 with the blinds at 150/300 utg, I will frequently see players shove any two. This is a huge mistake

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I agree. I see that a lot on this forum too. Otherwise great players would rather push junk UTG than let the blinds go through them. fwiw, I HATE pushing junk UTG.

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This is probably one of the biggest adjustments I've made since coming to 2+2. I realized letting the blinds hit you ISNT the end of the world.

[The Yugoslavian]

beefy,

I must have missed the 'what comprises a definitive post' memo....b/c while this may be helpful and I like seeing you put your thoughts down....it's far from definitive. Plus, it's mainly regurgitation from what Irieguy has thought about in the past (many months ago) and doesn't even include what IMO are the biggest insights/differences.

Yugoslav

[Bill Poker]

mind posting the link?

[curtains]

A cinch to double up early? Lol, thats funny...its not that easy to get big pairs early. To say that in a typical 22 that you will double up early is just BS. I played enough to know that most of the time you WON'T double up early.

[johnnybeef]

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its not that easy to get big pairs early.

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While true, it is definately easy to stack someone with a good made hand such as a set, two pair, or a big pair.

[curtains]

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its not that easy to get big pairs early.

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While true, it is definately easy to stack someone with a good made hand such as a set, two pair, or a big pair.

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Its not easy to get one of these in the first 20-30 hands of a sit and go either. And sometimes you lose when you do get them! I go entire days without flopping a set sometimes, and entire sets without getting AA-QQ in the first 30 hands.

[ZeroPointMachine]

I don't think I can beat the 30s for a high enough ROI to justify not playing 50s or 20s. All the negatives of 800 chip starting stacks seem to pile up at the 30s. Hourly rate for me 55s>>22s>>>33s. I tried to play the damned things and learn what I could at that level. I learned that the 33s suck.

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I don't think I can beat the 30s for a high enough ROI to justify not playing 50s or 20s. All the negatives of 800 chip starting stacks seem to pile up at the 30s. Hourly rate for me 55s>>22s>>>33s. I tried to play the damned things and learn what I could at that level. I learned that the 33s suck.

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God created the $33s to test the faithful.

[johnnybeef]

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I don't think I can beat the 30s for a high enough ROI to justify not playing 50s or 20s. All the negatives of 800 chip starting stacks seem to pile up at the 30s. Hourly rate for me 55s>>22s>>>33s. I tried to play the damned things and learn what I could at that level. I learned that the 33s suck.

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If it weren't for rakeback, I would probably agree with your statement. Although, there are a different set of skills that are necessarry to beat the 33s optimally. The most significant of which is proper stealing and restealing strategy in the middle game.