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#1
12-21-2005, 02:02 PM
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Re: KK turns ugly.
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That's an excellent perspective many people don't see hands like this from. [/ QUOTE ] Can you please explain why... I can't see it. Are you saying that KK here is same as QQ or JJ or TT or even A9? and why? 
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#2
12-21-2005, 02:12 PM
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Re: KK turns ugly.
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[ QUOTE ] That's an excellent perspective many people don't see hands like this from. [/ QUOTE ] Can you please explain why... I can't see it. Are you saying that KK here is same as QQ or JJ or TT or even A9? and why? [/ QUOTE ] That's exactly what I'm saying. Villain is telling you he can crush A9. Well what hands in villain's range that crush A9 are you beating with KK? Unless you have a read that villain overplays top pair hands (which is probably the note he now has on you), then a fold is your only option here. TPTK hands are solid hands, but I am very hesitant to throw my stack in with them after the flop. Pre-flop with KK I am never folding, post-flop you have to be able to get away from them, especially after you have told villain your holding and he has responded that he doesn't care. People bluff a lot less frequently then you think at these levels. Their biggest mistake is thinking their hand is stronger than it really is, but that is not the same thing as a bluff.
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#3
12-21-2005, 02:21 PM
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Re: KK turns ugly.
I see what you mean... & agree.
But could he not have TT, JJ or QQ with a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]? His line is consistent with that... (sort of) Also, What would you do here if one of you Kings was [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ?
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#4
12-21-2005, 02:39 PM
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Re: KK turns ugly.
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I see what you mean... & agree. But could he not have TT, JJ or QQ with a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]? His line is consistent with that... (sort of) Also, What would you do here if one of you Kings was [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ? [/ QUOTE ] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is a call.
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#6
12-21-2005, 03:28 PM
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Re: KK turns ugly.
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Also, What would you do here if one of you Kings was [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ? [/ QUOTE ] you can check behind on the turn with the K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
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#7
12-21-2005, 03:09 PM
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Re: KK turns ugly.
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Can you please explain why... I can't see it. Are you saying that KK here is same as QQ or JJ or TT or even A9? and why? - [/ QUOTE ] (While I was at lunch 42 answered this question better than I could have, so I'll just add...) Basically, yes. But with qualifications... KK is a good hand, but it's never the nuts unless it improves. People often play AA and KK like they are invulnerable by slowplaying, building huge pots and setting big traps, but often when they do this they end up getting stacked. Why? Becasue unimproved KK is just one-pair. If you have 20k+ hands in PT, take a look at your stats. How often does 1-pair win? You may be surprised to see that one-pair only wins about 33% of the time. KK is a great one-pair hand, no doubt about it. It will beat the tar out of many hands that your opponents might be inclined to overvalue, like QQ or AK. But it's still just one-pair. Sometimes it's right to back up KK with your whole stack. But often it's not. Don't ever let yourself start thinking, "Damnit, KK is a great hand, and I'm going to win this pot with it, and I don't care that my opponent just minraised a brick." The fact that KK is just one-pair is easier to keep in perspective if you ask yourself how you would feel about your hand if it was A9o. KK is better than A9, sure. But they're both one pair. (Edited for clarity & grammmatic stupidity)
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#9
12-21-2005, 03:50 PM
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Re: KK turns ugly.
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You're right... I find it harder to drop KK on a low flop than drop 2 bottom pairs... [/ QUOTE ] Isn't that wierd? I find it wierd, anyway. I stuggle with it to this day.
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#10
12-21-2005, 03:54 PM
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Re: KK turns ugly.
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[ QUOTE ] You're right... I find it harder to drop KK on a low flop than drop 2 bottom pairs... [/ QUOTE ] Isn't that weird? I find it weird, anyway. Many of us struggle with it every session we play. [/ QUOTE ] FYP
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