10/20 (6) Datamine Confusion

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He's folding way too much. WtSD only 31.6. Accounts for the higher W$SD and the losses.

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I would be surprised if this guy is a long term loser as his stats don't appear to be too far off. I imagine he's not a happy bunny at present though.

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He's folding way too much. WtSD only 31.6. Accounts for the higher W$SD and the losses.

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Thanks Rob,

After you said this, I looked at his folded to river bet and saw 47.6%! I am still surprised by the logic inconsistencies....and wondering how it's possible for someone reasonable enough to play everything else (VPIP, PFR, Folded SB & BB to steal, ASB, W$WSF) so close to optimally, yet fold THAT many winners on the end.

IMO, no one would play that masochistically unless they're trying to lose.

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He's folding way too much. WtSD only 31.6. Accounts for the higher W$SD and the losses.

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Thanks Rob,

After you said this, I looked at his folded to river bet and saw 47.6%! I am still surprised by the logic inconsistencies....and wondering how it's possible for someone reasonable enough to play everything else (VPIP, PFR, Folded SB & BB to steal, ASB, W$WSF) so close to optimally, yet fold THAT many winners on the end.

IMO, no one would play that masochistically unless they're trying to lose.

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These are almost precisely my stats, though my BB/100 is on the plus side. I fold too often. I'm working on seeing more showdowns, but I have a hard time seeing the showdown when I get check/raised on the turn when I've got AJ that missed. I'm trying to play cheap (1/2, 2/4) HU sessions to get more familiarity with playing missed/weak hands.

I'm guessing this player is normally a .5BB/100 type winner an he's having a bad run. Last night, first 3 hands I flopped trips, trips, nut straight, only to lose each time to a runner/runner. Those 3 hands put me nearly 20BB hole right off the bat. When you're a .5BB/100 winner, a sequence like that can put you in the hole for a loooonnnnggggg time.

Variance sucks.

Is your W$SD normally in the very high 50s when running bad and in the mid 60s when running good?

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Is your W$SD normally in the very high 50s when running bad and in the mid 60s when running good?

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No, my W$SD is always about 52%. That's one of my difficulties, trying to figure out how to get to showdown with A-high (or small pockets) without killing my W$SD.

[sammy_g]

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Is your W$SD normally in the very high 50s when running bad and in the mid 60s when running good?

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No, my W$SD is always about 52%.

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Really? This stat varies wildly for me from session to session depending on how I am running.

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Is your W$SD normally in the very high 50s when running bad and in the mid 60s when running good?

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No, my W$SD is always about 52%.

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Really? This stat varies wildly for me from session to session depending on how I am running.

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Mine is a consistent 55 long term. Running bad, it's 52 and running good it's 57.

I started this thread to try and get some answers about the datamined guy. It's really amazing that his W$SD is 58 when running bad !

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If you are having a hard time seeing the showdown when you get check-raised on the turn with your AJ that missed, then stop betting the turn with your AJ that missed if you might get check-raised.

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If you are having a hard time seeing the showdown when you get check-raised on the turn with your AJ that missed, then stop betting the turn with your AJ that missed if you might get check-raised.

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Yea, I'm betting the turn much less often lately with missed overcards. Consequently, I'm seeing showdown for only 1.5BB (flop and river bets) and picking off more river bluffs by aggressive players.

It's a work in progress... The turn has historically been my most aggressive street (3.8), but even passive 10/20 players are trickier post flop than most 5/10 players and they use my over-aggression against me.