Potowatomi collusion

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Simply raising blind preflop isn't colluding.

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It can be. A while back a poster complained about an online game where a whole table was playing kill the TAGs. There were two TAGs at the table IIRC. Everytime a TAG took the BB the table captain predesignated a player to autoraise preflop. They rotated the raises so that no one took it all the time.

The player who raises blind incurs negative EV but this is distributed across the entire table and not merely to the BB. The TAG is losing money because he can never play his blind for free. The rotating aspect ensures that those EV losses are distributed fairly to all the other players even though the autoraiser is losing on a particular hand.

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I'm curious as to how one raises blindly online. Online is a much different situation than live. Especially in regards to collusion and sharing information.

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teaming up to attack the kill blind (really all the blinds) is collusion even if it's announced in advance. It places the kill blind at an unfair disadvantage compared to the other players at the table.

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I disagree. Many times it's 2 people doing it regardless of who is in the blind. Just because you posted a blind doesn't mean you can expect any more special treatment/consideration than anyone else at the table. They're raising them blind too. Ever play in a blind capped to showdown game? Are you saying that's an unfair game? C'mon.

It is advantageous to the players yet to act to know that players are raising blind preflop.

Complaining that players are raising blind preflop after announcing in advance to everyone that they are doing so is ridiculous.

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It is not ridiculous when player A tells player B to do it. That's the problem, teamwork is not allowed.

That's why it's called collusion and not just flat out cheating. (even though collusion is cheating)

[bernie]

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It is not ridiculous when player A tells player B to do it. That's the problem, teamwork is not allowed.

That's why it's called collusion and not just flat out cheating. (even though collusion is cheating)

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If he says it loud enough for the whole table to hear, and they haven't been dealt cards yet, it's not.

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Hello all, my very first post.. PotowatoDonkeyMi is the worst poker room i've ever played in. The floor there as well as the dealers don't give two craps about anyone except the regulars. i live in Milwaukee, but rarely will you find me there(you can't drink at the tables, ha). If i do go, you'de find me getting sucked out at the 3/5 NL. On top of poor management they also have some strange rules.

GET THIS: i'm playing 3/5 NL, i've had a few suck outs already so I am down to about 100-150 left in front of me. I look down at AK unsuited and raise to 25 preflop. I get raised and the other guy and I get all in (this guy was loose as hell, normally i dont push with AK preflop like this, but thats beside the point he could easily have A-donkey.) so anyway the other guy has AK unsuited as well. So i suggest we chop the pot since it's just the two of us left in the pot to protect against the flush. Dealer immediately speaks up, "No you can't do that! that's collusion!" I of course asked how it could possibly be collusion, but got no response.

POINT OF THE STORY: atleast they do care about collusion happening, but lack to understand what really constitues as collusion... and if you got a decent bank roll and can handle the variance of the 3/5NL, this is a great place to make money and have a lousy time doing it, ha!

Other people who have more B&M experience than me can chime in, but I dont think any casino would of let you chop that pot. Unless you are the blinds (preflop) you're pretty much forced to play out any hand.

I don't have much B&M experience but I thought I remember chopping a hand with someone in downtown vegas when we were both all in with the same hand preflop (KK vs. KK) to protect against the chance of one guy catching a flush. I believe i've seen other people do that as well... Any one have a comment on that? In Vegas, I think they pretty much let you do whatever each person involved in the pot agrees on within reason anyway. When I was playing 1/2NL at the Golden Nugget durring the Main Event this year, I remember a guy asking me if I just wanted to take out half of my all-in bet and check it down. The dealer didn't say anything, and I declined the offer anyway. i could be a little off on my memory though... it's happened before

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Other people who have more B&M experience than me can chime in, but I dont think any casino would of let you chop that pot. Unless you are the blinds (preflop) you're pretty much forced to play out any hand.

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You could agree to chop after the hand plays out, regardless of the outcome of the cards. The cardroom does not take authority in enforcing those kind of agreements though.

I see. I think this is exactly why some casinos wouldnt want to allow it. (it's easier to just say no)

Especially a less than professional poker room like the Potty that has enough trouble maintaining just simple rules much less anything complicated.

You have to keep in mind that most of the dealers there are very unexperienced. Im willing to bet that only 2-3 of them have any prior pokerroom experience. (I know a handful of their better ones left to go work in Tunica or elsewhere)