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Old 12-16-2005, 04:02 AM
TimTimSalabim TimTimSalabim is offline
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"it's not the apprentii"... classic. The guy can definitely think on his feet.
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Old 12-16-2005, 04:29 AM
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This is the first apprentice I saw the whole season, but I really think that dude came off as a huge [censored] when he said she shouldnt get the job. It seemed like he did it for selfish reasons too, not because he didnt like the chick...can u guys who watched the season clue me in on this situation a little more? Did the two of them ever have beef?
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Old 12-16-2005, 05:01 AM
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"Did the two of them ever have beef?"

never. it was all hugs kisses and mutual appreciation until the very end. trump really should have second guessed himself when randall made an ass of himself like that.
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Old 12-16-2005, 12:01 PM
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"Did the two of them ever have beef?"

never. it was all hugs kisses and mutual appreciation until the very end. trump really should have second guessed himself when randall made an ass of himself like that.

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This is wrong. He obviously is a smart guy. I would have done the same thing. He now works for Trump. Its his job to help Trump make good decisions. He believed that she was not the quality that Trump needed for the position, so he didnt want to give what he thought was bad advice to Donald. Instead of saying all this after the fact that he had won, he simply made it seem like there should only be one winner since it is called "The Apprentice". He didnt want to rub it in to Rebecca after winning in front of tons of people because that would make him look like an ass, so he blamed it on the show rules, which wouldnt come across nearly as bad. The guys a genius IMO.
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Old 12-16-2005, 12:14 PM
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I saw it coming when trump said "This makes my decision easy" after they picked different projects. Then Randall screwed it all up.
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Old 12-16-2005, 02:02 PM
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"Did the two of them ever have beef?"

never. it was all hugs kisses and mutual appreciation until the very end. trump really should have second guessed himself when randall made an ass of himself like that.

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This is wrong. He obviously is a smart guy. I would have done the same thing. He now works for Trump. Its his job to help Trump make good decisions. He believed that she was not the quality that Trump needed for the position, so he didnt want to give what he thought was bad advice to Donald. Instead of saying all this after the fact that he had won, he simply made it seem like there should only be one winner since it is called "The Apprentice". He didnt want to rub it in to Rebecca after winning in front of tons of people because that would make him look like an ass, so he blamed it on the show rules, which wouldnt come across nearly as bad. The guys a genius IMO.

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If you call genius destroying your rep in two seconds of television time.

Two choices here, hire her or don't hire her.

Choice 1 - Hire Her. What do you lose? A bit of glory. Everyone already knows you "won". Allowing her to also get a job will take nothing away from you. She's going to have a different job than you. By being magnanimous, you enhance your nice guy rep, everyone already loves you, now they really will because you did the right thing.

Choice 2 - Don't Hire Her. Upside is all the glory. You already had that. Downside is huge. You worked for weeks to build a nice guy image. Now, even if you are correct, you appear like a dick. If you had merely won, no one would remember you in a few years. Now, everyone will remember you as the dick who wouldn't hire her when the boss clearly wanted to.

Sometimes there's a choice between being correct and doing the right thing. He might have been correct, but clearly, it wasn't the right thing to do. You only need to read the Apprentice message boards to know how much he destroyed his rep in just a few seconds. Reputations take a lifetime (or 13 weeks) to build and seconds to destroy. No amount of rationalization or explaining will ever get that back.
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Old 12-16-2005, 02:11 PM
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Now, everyone will remember you as the dick who wouldn't hire her when the boss clearly wanted to.

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i've never watched this show but, if Trump so clearly wanted to hire the woman, why didn't he offer her the job in the first place? or why didn't he overrule the guy when he said there should only be one hire?
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Old 12-16-2005, 02:37 PM
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Now, everyone will remember you as the dick who wouldn't hire her when the boss clearly wanted to.

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i've never watched this show but, if Trump so clearly wanted to hire the woman, why didn't he offer her the job in the first place? or why didn't he overrule the guy when he said there should only be one hire?

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Randall was clearly the better candidate on paper. Five degrees, including Ph.D from MIT, Rhodes scholar, runs his own consulting firm, everybody loved him. Minority, winning record, it would be hard NOT to hire him. But Rebecca was clearly a good candidate, no slouch with an economics degree from U. of Chicago, the toughest economics program in the country. And she did almost the entire competition on a broken ankle, while never losing her cool. At 23, she's clearly a superstar, but hasn't had the chance to accumulate the credentials a 34 year-old has. Candidates like her and Randall don't come along every day, so if you have the chance, you would take two.

Clearly he could have overruled if he chose. But on TV, the clock is everything and they just ran out of time. Plus, it was an unprecidented move, so I just think he gave him the choice, fully expecting he would say hire her too. On the Today show, Trump said 99% of people would have made the offer, so clearly he was surprised.
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Old 12-16-2005, 02:35 PM
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Choice 2 - Don't Hire Her. Upside is all the glory. You already had that. Downside is huge. You worked for weeks to build a nice guy image. Now, even if you are correct, you appear like a dick. If you had merely won, no one would remember you in a few years. Now, everyone will remember you as the dick who wouldn't hire her when the boss clearly wanted to.



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Why would he want to be forgotten? Who cares if people view him as a little bit of a hardass, he got a lot of attention for that move from people who never watch the show and that is a definite positive for his career. Who said being a little bit of an [censored] was a bad trait for the head of a company? The fact is, he made the smart move, she wouldn't have been a good hire.

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Sometimes there's a choice between being correct and doing the right thing. He might have been correct, but clearly, it wasn't the right thing to do. You only need to read the Apprentice message boards to know how much he destroyed his rep in just a few seconds. Reputations take a lifetime (or 13 weeks) to build and seconds to destroy. No amount of rationalization or explaining will ever get that back.

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Please dont ever reference the Apprentice message boards as an authority again.
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Old 12-16-2005, 02:44 PM
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Choice 2 - Don't Hire Her. Upside is all the glory. You already had that. Downside is huge. You worked for weeks to build a nice guy image. Now, even if you are correct, you appear like a dick. If you had merely won, no one would remember you in a few years. Now, everyone will remember you as the dick who wouldn't hire her when the boss clearly wanted to.



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Why would he want to be forgotten? Who cares if people view him as a little bit of a hardass, he got a lot of attention for that move from people who never watch the show and that is a definite positive for his career. Who said being a little bit of an [censored] was a bad trait for the head of a company? The fact is, he made the smart move, she wouldn't have been a good hire.

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Sometimes there's a choice between being correct and doing the right thing. He might have been correct, but clearly, it wasn't the right thing to do. You only need to read the Apprentice message boards to know how much he destroyed his rep in just a few seconds. Reputations take a lifetime (or 13 weeks) to build and seconds to destroy. No amount of rationalization or explaining will ever get that back.

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Please dont ever reference the Apprentice message boards as an authority again.

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Being a hardass is one thing, being a dick is another. And clearly you don't understand the value of good publicity. Lots of people can do a particular job, being liked will often get you that job.
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