standard?

If you're limping UTG with TT, then aren't you looking to limp re-raise? Otherwise just open the pot yourself.

[creedofhubris]

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If you're limping UTG with TT, then aren't you looking to limp re-raise?

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No.

Why in the world would you not open the pot? Curious as to how you think limping then calling is of any value, especially since you lose a ton of the value TT affords if the pot is just limped all the way around.

[creedofhubris]

TT out of position is a hand that doesn't want to play a big pot unless it hits a set.

The way to do that is to limp preflop, or limp/call a raise and play poker.

[Allinlife]

Gotta stick in a bet/raise somewhere after turn imo, I think folding to strength after you make your bet/raise is better than passively calling down.

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TT out of position is a hand that doesn't want to play a big pot unless it hits a set.

The way to do that is to limp preflop, or limp/call a raise and play poker.

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Your logic is off. You lose value by not raising your 10s preflop - gap theory dictates that people WILL fold to your raise. The hand becomes MUCH easier to play if you make a preflop raise and then take a standard line. On the flop/turn, that's when you play poker. Limping and calling a raise is weak/passive. What do you do then on a favorable flop of undercards? Check/raise OOP? Lead and fold to a big raise? Action is much easier, you will win more pots, and most importantly, you will be able to make easier decisions when you are the aggressor.

As played, I really like your line. Such a weird hand - while I was reading it it actually did occur to me that it would be so much easier played if it were limit poker.

[creedofhubris]

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TT out of position is a hand that doesn't want to play a big pot unless it hits a set.

The way to do that is to limp preflop, or limp/call a raise and play poker.

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Your logic is off. You lose value by not raising your 10s preflop - gap theory dictates that people WILL fold to your raise.

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Gap theory is best used for tourneys. In tourneys, you raise in order to take blinds and antes, and you are happy if everyone folds.

You raise in a ring game in order to get money in with position and a strong hand, or to make a move at a lot of dead money in a pot. TT is a decent hand but UTG is a crappy spot to play it in, so I'm limping.


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The hand becomes MUCH easier to play if you make a preflop raise and then take a standard line.

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Not really. I still have an underfull against someone who's playing very oddly.


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On the flop/turn, that's when you play poker. Limping and calling a raise is weak/passive. What do you do then on a favorable flop of undercards? Check/raise OOP? Lead and fold to a big raise?

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I think you will find about zero percent support on this forum for a limp/reraise of a tight/passive player with TT.

As for what happens when I limp/call and get an undercard flop, I sometimes lead, sometimes check/raise, sometimes check/call, sometimes check/fold. It depends on the opponent.

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Action is much easier, you will win more pots, and most importantly, you will be able to make easier decisions when you are the aggressor.

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Not with TT. That hand leads to a lot of hard decisions, and I just don't want to play a big pot with it out of position if I can help it.

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As played, I really like your line. Such a weird hand - while I was reading it it actually did occur to me that it would be so much easier played if it were limit poker.

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No doubt.

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TT out of position is a hand that doesn't want to play a big pot unless it hits a set.

The way to do that is to limp preflop, or limp/call a raise and play poker.

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Your logic is off. You lose value by not raising your 10s preflop - gap theory dictates that people WILL fold to your raise.

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Gap theory is best used for tourneys. In tourneys, you raise in order to take blinds and antes, and you are happy if everyone folds.

You raise in a ring game in order to get money in with position and a strong hand, or to make a move at a lot of dead money in a pot. TT is a decent hand but UTG is a crappy spot to play it in, so I'm limping.


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The hand becomes MUCH easier to play if you make a preflop raise and then take a standard line.

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Not really. I still have an underfull against someone who's playing very oddly.


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On the flop/turn, that's when you play poker. Limping and calling a raise is weak/passive. What do you do then on a favorable flop of undercards? Check/raise OOP? Lead and fold to a big raise?

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I think you will find about zero percent support on this forum for a limp/reraise of a tight/passive player with TT.

As for what happens when I limp/call and get an undercard flop, I sometimes lead, sometimes check/raise, sometimes check/call, sometimes check/fold. It depends on the opponent.

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Action is much easier, you will win more pots, and most importantly, you will be able to make easier decisions when you are the aggressor.

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Not with TT. That hand leads to a lot of hard decisions, and I just don't want to play a big pot with it out of position if I can help it.

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As played, I really like your line. Such a weird hand - while I was reading it it actually did occur to me that it would be so much easier played if it were limit poker.

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No doubt.

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I may not agree fully, but point made.

Touche, my friend. Touche.

[mikech]

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TT out of position is a hand that doesn't want to play a big pot unless it hits a set.

The way to do that is to limp preflop, or limp/call a raise and play poker.

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maybe i've been playing 6max too much lately but i raise TT everytime from every position. if you won't raise TT there, when you DO raise utg, your opponents can narrow your range to, what, 5 hands tops?

btw, limp-calling preflop and flopping a set is not the way to win big pots. when a limp-caller gives a ton of action postflop it screams set.

[kagame]

people dont like to fold overpairs

most people dont really have much trouble getting sets paid off if theyre up against top pair??

the only way you make more with your sets with a crazy lag style is if people are constantly making plays at you, and this would seem to subvert the advantage of a lag style, plus causing intense migraines