Calling an all-in with Q-10suited (let the beatings begin)

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Good call, you re as desperate as desperate gets, have a reasonable hand, and need to triple/quadruple up.

As stated you have no FE left anyway.

Again I don't agree. His best chance of making the money is to push against the few people behind him with first in vigorish. In this case the vigorish isnt important for fold equity but rather pushing when the situation is good, i.e. the people behind him are less likely to have a hand than the caller in this situation.

The player who called the first all in raise here has a hand thats probably at the very least above average, and he possibly dominates the Q10.

If he pushes with first in vigorish, hes more likely to win and stay , and if he gets called its going to be with a weaker hand than the caller in the first example would show down.

I think either way hes dead with blinds that high, but I would just be hoping the pusher gets knocked out 4th then I can double up and stay alive, possibly making it to 3rd.

Now if you don't care about just making the money and want to be first at all costs this is probably the best opportunity..but hes normally going to have to get lucky to win.

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"first in vigorish" is all about fold equity. And it's kind of annoying people quoting Harrington word for word. I think it's a stupid term anyways.

In this situation, the two guys before you could have a TON of hands, QTs is absolutely +EV in this situation.

The point isnt that the people behind him will call him with any two cards for 1300, they will. But my point is that with the action in front of him with Q10 he would have a better chance doubling up pushing into the players behind him who have random hands rather than pushing into a raise and a call.

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a guuyy pushing for less than 1 BB, and a big stack calling him is basically two random hands anyway. waiting for better hands is going to cost you more than you'd gain (if you'd gain anything, i'm not even convinced)

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The point isnt that the people behind him will call him with any two cards for 1300, they will. But my point is that with the action in front of him with Q10 he would have a better chance doubling up pushing into the players behind him who have random hands rather than pushing into a raise and a call.

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It's a call all-in for <1BB when he is all in next hand anyways (MASSIVE range) and a limp. Why would you say he's dominated? There's money in the pot and we need it. If somehow we doubled up in the next 2 hands we'd just have to put it all in anyways with a random hand when our BB was around anyways. QTs is considerably better than average.

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just as a clarification, I had taken a fairly bad beat a few hands before, which cut my chips down to the 1300 level. I wasn't simply letting the blinds eat away without making a move.

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With a stack that small, first in will not help him. If the big blind has a clue of how to play poker at all, he would call before he ever looked at his cards and possbily the small blind also.