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Re: KK with lots of action preflop...
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imo, hero's flop play in this hand is surely debateable. [/ QUOTE ] i wouldnt slow down by either player by the flop. micro limits raising each other on the flop id say youre good way more times than not w/ AA/KK in this situaion. by the turn id stop a raising war if i had either AA or KK thinking the other might have improved but i dont see any good reason to slow down before then. |
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Re: KK with lots of action preflop...
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if villain had AA he played it perfectly. [/ QUOTE ] I'd cap the flop with AA here knowing that KK will still call me down. |
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Re: KK with lots of action preflop...
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[ QUOTE ] if villain had AA he played it perfectly. [/ QUOTE ] I'd cap the flop with AA here knowing that KK will still call me down. [/ QUOTE ] Is that enough to make up for the times you're up against QQ? |
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Re: KK with lots of action preflop...
I'm up against KK twice as often as I am against QQ.
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Re: KK with lots of action preflop...
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I'm up against KK twice as often as I am against QQ. [/ QUOTE ] Absent reads this would be a pretty easy flop cap at 1/2, let alone .05/.10 |
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Re: KK with lots of action preflop...
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I'm up against KK twice as often as I am against QQ. [/ QUOTE ] Do you raise the turn when led in to again? (If you have AA, that is.) |
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Re: KK with lots of action preflop...
Let's analyze this from villain's perspective here, who holds AA.
Assumptions: 1. On the flop, any of AA-QQ are equally likely for villain (plaidlesspez). (Weighted by how many are possible, of course.) 2. Villain (plaidlesspez) will play hard with QQ. 3. Villain (plaidlesspez) will call down after a flop cap with KK. There are 6 combinations of KK, 3 combinations of QQ, and one other combination of AA, so: P(KK) = 0.6 P(QQ) = 0.3 Limiting our plan to two choices: 1) Cap flop, raise turn, call down if 3-bet. In this case, we lose 4.5 BB to QQ (0.5* on the flop, 3 on the turn, and 1 on the river) and gain 2.5 from KK (0.5* on the flop, 1 on the turn, and 1 on the river) 2) Call flop, call down. Here, we lose 2 to QQ (0* on the flop, 1 on the turn, and 1 on the river) and gain 2 from KK (0* on the flop, 1 on turn and 1 on river). EV(1) = 0.6*2.5 - 0.3*4.5 = 0.15 BB EV(2) = 0.6*2 - 0.3*2 = 0.6 BB * I'm not sure how to handle this flop, since villain will have already bet. How do we count villain's bet? I just decided to basically assume I have already called, and then decide what to do from there. Regardless, the results would be comparable. |
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Re: KK with lots of action preflop...
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imo, hero's flop play in this hand is surely debateable. [/ QUOTE ] What's debateably wrong with it? |
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Re: KK with lots of action preflop...
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[ QUOTE ] imo, hero's flop play in this hand is surely debateable. [/ QUOTE ] What's debateably wrong with it? [/ QUOTE ] He's likely talking about the flop 3-bet. Once MP2 is out of the hand, its a good idea to smoothcall then see how the turn develops. |
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Re: KK with lots of action preflop...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] if villain had AA he played it perfectly. [/ QUOTE ] I'd cap the flop with AA here knowing that KK will still call me down. [/ QUOTE ] Is that enough to make up for the times you're up against QQ? [/ QUOTE ] Seeing as AA wins over 75% of the time (according to my stats anyway), I'm going to say "Yes I think so". |
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