WCOOP #13

I made a stab at it. Got all my chips in 5 times where I was a favourite or 40+% in a three-way pot and lost 4 out of 5. What can you do?

This is the hand that crippled me:

PokerStars (8 handed) converter
Tournament #12552977, Omaha Pot Limit - Level IX (300/600)

Seat 1: SB (4140 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (4450 in chips)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of 300.
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls 2340 (All-In).

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

SB had: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a straight, Deuce to Six)

SB collected 8280 from pot

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1222820
pokenum -o qh ts 6s 2c - 5s ks 3d 4d -- 2h 6h tc
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Tc 6h 2h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ts 6s 2c Qh 531 64.76 289 35.24 0 0.00 0.648
Ks 5s 4d 3d 289 35.24 531 64.76 0 0.00 0.352


If I had won i'd have been in the top 10 with 40 left (top 5 get seats and next 10 get refunds), instead I had $310 and a $300 small blind on the next hand. Even then I was a 52/48 fave and was getting 4 to 1 odds.

Interesting side note: I watched one guy put in 9 rebuys in the first 14 hands before he finally hit some hands and found himself with a big stack. He then added an add-on at the break thus spending $101 in an attempt to beat out 90 people for 5 spots worth $530. He only lasted 5 minutes longer than I did (27th). Does anyone else think this is nuts?

Also, is it accepted add-on wisdom to buy a 1500 add-on when you already have a 15000+ stack? This seems like a total waste to me and yet I see it all the time.

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Interesting side note: I watched one guy put in 9 rebuys in the first 14 hands before he finally hit some hands and found himself with a big stack. He then added an add-on at the break thus spending $101 in an attempt to beat out 90 people for 5 spots worth $530. He only lasted 5 minutes longer than I did (27th). Does anyone else think this is nuts?

Also, is it accepted add-on wisdom to buy a 1500 add-on when you already have a 15000+ stack? This seems like a total waste to me and yet I see it all the time.

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I always take the add-on. A chip is a chip is a chip. no? I'm not a big tourney theorist but it seems like you are at a a fairly big disadvantage if you don't add-on, i guess unless its a turbo where the stacks to blind ratio is already super high and another 1500 isn't going to change much.

I guess if you can get a seat spending 200 on rebuy tourneys then its +ev. BUt ya, I usually set a limit on the number of rebuys I'll do and its less then 10 [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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unless its a turbo where the stacks to blind ratio is already super high and another 1500 isn't going to change much.

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This logic is severely flawed. Just because the blinds go up faster, doesn't mean the chips are worth less.

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unless its a turbo where the stacks to blind ratio is already super high and another 1500 isn't going to change much.

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This logic is severely flawed. Just because the blinds go up faster, doesn't mean the chips are worth less.

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But don't tournament chips devaluate as the tournament progresses? In a turbo its already late stage when the add-on comes up. Like I said, I'm a cash game player and have spent zero time thinking about MTTs on a deep level. On a gut level it makes sense to me to always take the add-on. But edumacate me why that is.

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But don't tournament chips devaluate as the tournament progresses?

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Chips devalue as your stack gets larger in relation to the other players.

If anything, add-ons are more valuable when the blinds are larger. If you basically have to go all-in or fold preflop, then stack size is very important, because there is less skill involved. There's less skill because there's only one decision to make: whether or not to move in, and whether or not to call an opponents all-in bet.

Edit: I just busted out in 678th, so I must be a tournament strategy expert. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Filip]

I am gonna play, gonna be a blast. The only thing i fear is the bubble [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Woot! I got in through the 2nd to last MTT satellite. I spent like $160 total.

Good luck all.

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I am gonna play, gonna be a blast. The only thing i fear is the bubble [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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you must LOVE the bubble. Thats where stacks that can go the distance are born.

[Filip]

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I am gonna play, gonna be a blast. The only thing i fear is the bubble [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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you must LOVE the bubble. Thats where stacks that can go the distance are born.

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So true, i will not go meekly into the night if it comes to that tonight.

GL all that are playing

[Spellmen]

Stacks looking good so far Beset