How should I have played this hand?

[mwilli31]

Fold preflop.

[SheridanCat]

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Fold preflop.

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Huh? You're kidding, right? If not, please explain. He's getting great pot odds and if he hits the flop, as he does, great implied odds.

Regards,

T

[mwilli31]

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Fold preflop.

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Huh? You're kidding, right? If not, please explain. He's getting great pot odds and if he hits the flop, as he does, great implied odds.

Regards,

T

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I realize you have 4 limpers and position, but 46s?! Do you really hit monsters like this often enough for 46 to be profitable in this situation?

Edit: Went back and checked the SSH Preflop Chart and it looks like I was wrong. My bad. I'm still not sure I like calling here, but if Ed Miller says it's okay, then it must be okay.

[AKQJ10]

Actually, I preferred a dissident POV to an expression of blind faith in Ed Miller.

I can't access twodimes from work, but someone try running the following hands:

64s of s
AKo of any two suits
QQ of other two suits
ATo of any two
JTs of hearts

I'm curious how 64s does against such a lineup. Of course, the AK or QQ would have raised so these 4 are presumably weaker.

Idle predictions:
ATo is badly dominated and wins < 15% of the time.
JTs is dominated by QQ and AT but suited and wins 15-20%.
QQ and AKo are powerhouses and win 25% each.
64s is still dominated by QQ but wins 15-20%.

Of course some of those are runner-runner trips or two pair where you'd be long gone. On the other hand, when you miss with 64s you know you've missed and fold, so you don't need to win 20% of the time for it to be profitable.

[SheridanCat]

Against 6 random hands, according to Poker Stove, 64s has 14% equity. Which indicates it's going to be a good limp on the button because the SB and BB are likely coming along.

Here's the specific scenario you posit (I think):

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equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 24.6148 % 24.58% 00.04% { 6s4s }
Hand 2: 24.7038 % 24.43% 00.28% { AcKd }
Hand 3: 32.0177 % 31.98% 00.04% { QdQh }
Hand 4: 04.3588 % 03.60% 00.76% { AhTd }
Hand 5: 14.3049 % 13.79% 00.52% { JhTh }
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64s ain't that bad. This is a point Harrington makes in his tournament book that I think is somewhat applicable to cash games as well.

Regards,

T

[SheridanCat]

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I realize you have 4 limpers and position, but 46s?! Do you really hit monsters like this often enough for 46 to be profitable in this situation?


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And you can count on the SB in most games. And the BB is going to come too. Interestingly, I think 6 other players are required for this limp to be correct. 5 limpers is a very close call. If you can only count on 4 other players coming along, it's a fold for sure.

Of course, if you always fold 64s on the button to a large number of limpers, you will give up very, very little in the long run.

As for believing the charts, you're right to be skeptical.

Regards,

T