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Re: Tough Spot
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[ QUOTE ] Grunch. MP2 could be slow playing trips or a straight or betting a flush draw, but since you are last to act I think you have an advantage. Raise the turn. If you are reraised you can release your hand. If they call down I think they're showing weakness and I'd raise or bet on a non-heart river for value. [/ QUOTE ] This smells like spew to me. I take that back. This definately IS spew. Hero has Ace high here. What is he betting/raising with? Edit: Disregard the Ace high comment. I forgot about the ace on the turn. Still spewing though. [/ QUOTE ] Alright, so do you call or fold? Again, I'm posting my grunches to learn and they aren't necessarily going to be good strategy, but how I would play the hand. If I'm wrong, I'm here to learn. I appreciate you letting me know you think my grunch is wrong though. If raising is too loose, I'm going to fold. I think the value in the raise would be to take control on the river, but if these guys are playing tight and the turn raise comes across as a message of strength then you should get out of the hand. Calling here seems like it doesn't achieve anything. |
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Re: Tough Spot
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Grunch. MP2 could be slow playing trips or a straight or betting a flush draw, but since you are last to act I think you have an advantage. Raise the turn. If you are reraised you can release your hand. If they call down I think they're showing weakness and I'd raise or bet on a non-heart river for value. [/ QUOTE ] This smells like spew to me. I take that back. This definately IS spew. Hero has Ace high here. What is he betting/raising with? Edit: Disregard the Ace high comment. I forgot about the ace on the turn. Still spewing though. [/ QUOTE ] Alright, so do you call or fold? Again, I'm posting my grunches to learn and they aren't necessarily going to be good strategy, but how I would play the hand. If I'm wrong, I'm here to learn. I appreciate you letting me know you think my grunch is wrong though. If raising is too loose, I'm going to fold. I think the value in the raise would be to take control on the river, but if these guys are playing tight and the turn raise comes across as a message of strength then you should get out of the hand. Calling here seems like it doesn't achieve anything. [/ QUOTE ] IMO, it's gotta be a fold. If you raise it's probably going to be capped back to you so you've spent 4 BB's and have a pair of aces against AT LEAST one player who really likes his hand. I don't see how you gain any control this way. I think checking the flop and folding to a bad card or aggression on the turn is the best play. If this is the way you play your overcard hands (and a lot of us do) it might be a good idea to go back and review a bunch of them to see if you're burning money like I was/am. |
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Re: Tough Spot
I was pretty borderline with betting the flop. I figure if I didn't have the button I would have checked that flop. I think if you check the flop too much with overs people are going to catch on that you only bet when you hit the flop, and you might end up losing more bets this way.
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Re: Tough Spot
Yeah, there aren't many worse flops for AK. I'm an autobetter, and I would not bet w/ 3 opponents in this hand.
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Yeah, there aren't many worse flops for AK. I'm an autobetter, and I would not bet w/ 3 opponents in this hand. [/ QUOTE ] What about 2 opponents? What about 2 opponents and being OOP? I'm having a hard time defining the line on overcards. |
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Re: Tough Spot
I try to follow Jennifer Harman's advice of betting the flop ~90% of the time after I raise PF (warning: you should not be doing this if there are 5-6 people seeing every flop in the game you play). Against 2 auto-blind defenders I might even bet this terrible flop, since they could have any 2 cards. Against 2 EP limpers I'd probably check, because it's nearly impossible that two different limpers didn't hit this flop. The same goes for typical coldcalling hands, so I'd probably check OOP as well.
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Re: Tough Spot
I would call. I'd guess you're up against 2 pair. You have a lot of outs vs 2 pair.
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Re: Tough Spot
I'd call. I don't see why you'd bet with Ace-high, then fold with top pair. You'll lose sometimes, but you've got top pair.
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