Re: simple question on implied odds and effective odds
Looking at the odds on the turn, you're planning on putting in 4 bets, and there will be 3+4+4=11 bets to win. Like you said, 11-4 odds. However, if you need 4-1 odds, that's 16-4, and you need to make up 5 bets on the river when you hit your hand. Implied odds are kind of more art than science; there's no way to be sure how many bets/raises/so forth you can get when your river hits, but this seems unlikely. 5 bets from 2 opponents means a bet and 2 raises; even if you checkraise, you need a raise from one of them.
While 11-4 is the same as 2.75-1, you can't then decide you only need 1.25 bets to make it to 4-1. Always compare the amount you put in vs the amount you'll get; if you're putting in 4BB, and need 4-1 odds, you need to win 16BB. If you're only getting 11BB now, you have to make up 5BB.
Does this help?
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