*Official* Big Slick Thread

[Degen]

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I know you aren't actually looking for advice here

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Hehe, ok ok so it has a hint of shameless bragging in it. You had impeccable timing in your post. But ya, i do want to see if this is the line most people take with AK early on. I am usually raising AKs and AKo from any position and betting any flop when HU, and it works pretty well.

Late tourney I usually call all-ins with it from most positions as people push Ax so often late.

How much would you raise this PF? Blinds are only 10/15 here...I made it over 3BB's already.



Andre

[Jman28]

I like to usually make it 70-90. When you raise to 50, too many small PPs can call you and hit their sets, which makes it tough to know when your TPTK is good.

[Degen]

wow...6BB's??? Are you having luck with people calling you or do you usually just take down the blinds? I'm not trying to blind steal here...

Andre

[adanthar]

If you raise more than that PF, what are you going to do when the flop comes KQJ and your continuation bet that you have to make is 1/3 of your stack? (I don't mind this hand as is given the large-ish PF raise, but I'd bet the turn/fold to a CR and/or check the river, since giving him a free fourth club sucks.)

My default raise at the 100's has gone back down to 60 at level 1 and to 100/125 at level 2. I like smaller pots. It also helps me with hands like these (comments on the turn?)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

CO (t1170)
Button (t815)
Hero (t940)
BB (t1145)
UTG (t1130)
UTG+1 (t945)
UTG+2 (t830)
MP1 (t915)
MP2 (t915)
MP3 (t1195)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, CO calls t30, Button calls t30, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t125</font>, BB calls t95, UTG calls t95, CO folds, Button folds.

Flop: (t435) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks.

Turn: (t435) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t125</font>, UTG calls t125, Hero calls t125.

River: (t810) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks.

Final Pot: t810

[Jman28]

Quick! Fix your title. This might get confusing. It's not too late.

[Degen]

whoaaaa

i can't recall ever raising AKo out of the SB in this large a field....and i definately wouldn't be calling that turn bet...though i know andathar is a real good player...can anybody justify these two for a donkey like myself?


Andre

[Jman28]

I actually think the hand is fine.

I might raise a little more hoping to get heads up or steal the chips already in the pot. His odds on the turn call are crazy good. He has 3 nut outs and 9 outs which might win him the pot. Especially since nobody is showing strength.

[gumpzilla]

A twofer here:

Jman #1: I think the turn check is fine. Inducing a bet in your opponent seems like the only way you're reliably going to extract more chips when you're ahead with that board (maybe a big club calls you). I'm willing to take the chance that a club falls if he'll bet the river regardless. And yes, I think you have to call a river bet if you check the turn.

Adanthar #1 - I don't have a very good feel for this hand. I think I understand why you didn't, but I'd probably consider going ahead and making a normal continuation bet at that flop. What are people limping and calling your raise from the SB with, do you think? The hands that I think people are most likely to call with that they limped and call with are QJs, JTs, or T9s type hands, but I doubt you're seeing tons of people making that play. I'm up in the air about this.

The turn bet does look pretty weak, but I'm kind of surprised that the river got checked around following that. What was your plan if there was a river bet?

[microbet]

That's about what I do, depending on position 3-4 x BB raise if I'm the first raiser with AK preflop in the $33s.

Do you do anything different with say, JJ+? In the $33s facing the same opponants over and over is barely an issue, but in the $109s do you worry about people getting a read on your hand from your raise amount, especially if you are at a table with a lot of regulars?

[adanthar]

Bah, that's what I get for not looking at titles [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Adanthar #1 - I don't have a very good feel for this hand. I think I understand why you didn't, but I'd probably consider going ahead and making a normal continuation bet at that flop. What are people limping and calling your raise from the SB with, do you think? The hands that I think people are most likely to call with that they limped and call with are QJs, JTs, or T9s type hands, but I doubt you're seeing tons of people making that play. I'm up in the air about this.

The turn bet does look pretty weak, but I'm kind of surprised that the river got checked around following that. What was your plan if there was a river bet?

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Don't worry about people not sucking at the 109's; UTG took down that pot with Q9o. They suck just as much as the people at the 11's, just in slightly different ways. For example, I think I was getting called or raised there pretty much every time - that board just blows far too much for AK or most other hands I could be holding. The SB raise narrows down my hand too much, which is why I can't fire at a 2 Broadway flop without *something*. (So yeah, I was check/folding the river and only called the turn because I thought almost all my outs were good. I kinda wanted to know if people thought I should've folded the turn anyway.)

I would do exactly the same with JJ (maybe really pwn the limpers and raise to 200 or something) but I do make a continuation bet into this board, where I possibly wouldn't do it with an A showing. I check a lot of big underpairs HU and 3 way, which doesn't mean I won't call with them. It depends.