QQ - King on board, River decision?

[Sir Limps Alot]

A possible play in this situation is to raise the flop.

If he just calls he has K rag.
If he raises he has good king or a three.

The raise will get you free play when it is not so expensive on the turn sometimes.

If he three bets you just lay it down.

[Entity]

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A possible play in this situation is to raise the flop.

If he just calls he has K rag.
If he raises he has good king or a three.

The raise will get you free play when it is not so expensive on the turn sometimes.

If he three bets you just lay it down.

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Raising this flop against an unknown is pretty bad.

Rob

[Sir Limps Alot]

The raise is for information. If you plan on playing this hand a raise is important here and may save you money down the line.

This is a classic hand to raise for information.

You have a good hand and while the action is cheap you need to find out as much as possible. It also gets you a free card most of the time therefore saving you a bet.

I disagree with you in this instance.

[Entity]

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The raise is for information. If you plan on playing this hand a raise is important here and may save you money down the line.

This is a classic hand to raise for information.

You have a good hand and while the action is cheap you need to find out as much as possible. It also gets you a free card most of the time therefore saving you a bet.

I disagree with you in this instance.

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Raising for information is overrated. If he flat calls and bets the turn, what hand does he have then?

Read this entire thread.

Hopefully that thread will help you along here. A lot of people raise this flop, especially "for information." That doesn't make it the right play.

Rob

[27offsooot]

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The raise is for information. If you plan on playing this hand a raise is important here and may save you money down the line.

This is a classic hand to raise for information.

You have a good hand and while the action is cheap you need to find out as much as possible. It also gets you a free card most of the time therefore saving you a bet.

I disagree with you in this instance.

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Raising for information is overrated.

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Funny, as I was reading Sir Limps a Lots post, my exact thoughts were raising for info is overrated. If I raise at all in this hand, it's on the river, but i tend to not b/c i don't think a worse hand calls more than a better one does. I usually go with the call-call-call line against an unknown or fold the flop if the player is ultra passive.

[JoshuaD]

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A possible play in this situation is to raise the flop.

If he just calls he has K rag.
If he raises he has good king or a three.

The raise will get you free play when it is not so expensive on the turn sometimes.

If he three bets you just lay it down.

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Raising will tend to get weaker hands to fold, while you continue to pay off stronger hands. Since raising will not get the weaker hands to pay more, and it will make you pay more to the stronger hands, it has to be less than optimal. (optimal would be a losing hand putting his entire stack in, while paying 0 to a hand you're significantly behind)

The question is then, should you fold or call? Since you're getting 4.25:2.5, you only need to have 37% equity to make a call down profitable. It's really hard to select a range of hands here for villian, but a reasonable selection shows you have more than eneough equity to call down.

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> 234,630 games 0.047 secs 4,992,127 games/sec

Board: Ks 3c 3d
equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 41.4011 % [ 00.41 00.00 ] { JJ-22, AQs-A7s, KQs-K2s, QJs-Q9s, AQo-A8o, KQo-K6o, QJo-QTo }
Hand 2: 58.5989 % [ 00.58 00.00 ] { QhQc }</pre><hr />

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Since you're getting 4.25:2.5, you only need to have 37% equity to make a call down profitable.

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Darn..I don't understand this. How'd you come up with 37%

[JoshuaD]

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Since you're getting 4.25:2.5, you only need to have 37% equity to make a call down profitable.

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Darn..I don't understand this. How'd you come up with 37%

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4:25:2.5 is another way of saying you're gonna need to win 2.5/(4.25 + 2.5), or 2.5/6.75, or 37% of the time to break even.

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..what's sad is that I don't know where the 4.25 and 2.5 came from...

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Attempting...

2.5 is your call down flop, turn &amp; river

The pot is at 2.5 BB on the flop and he's going to be putting 2 more in it on top of the flop bet he just made..which would make it...I can't find the 4.25...and why do we add the 2.5 on.

This has got to be fairly basic to gambling concepts...sorry about the ingnorance.