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Old 08-24-2004, 11:29 PM
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Default \"When calling cannot be right\" from SSH,(p.156)

When I first got the book this was a concept that I had trouble grasping. I must have reread that section at least 5 times when I first read it. Then lo and behold at Party 2/4 a very similar situation come up.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (7 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="CC3333">Button bets</font>, SB folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Button calls.

OK, I've flopped top pair weak kicker, but also a back door straight and flush draw. I remembered that this similar to the example in the book. So I checked and waited to see how everyone behind me acted. And just like the example in the book the button bets out. The small blind folds so I'm the first to act after the bettor. Like in the example in the book I check-raise to make it 2 bets to any weak draws out there that might have called. And lo and behold everyone folds and the bettor just called. Now I'm head to head with the button. I'm probably outkicked by the button but raising has greatly increased my chances of winning by knocking out the rest of the field.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

The turn card, 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], is a great card for me as I now pick-up a straight flush draw. I was planning to check the turn but since that card gave me fantastic draws I decided to bet out.

River: (7.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

At this point I decide to check-call my TPWK since my draws didn't come in. I figure I'll save myself from a being raised. But if he bets his busted draw then I can snap off his bluff.

Question:
1. From the results it seems that the check-raise was effective in knocking everyone out. Was this a proper application of the concept?
2. If there was a bet and calls from middle position should I have folded?
3. Did I play the turn correctly? Should I have gone for another check-raise?
4. What should I have done if a blank hit the turn? bet or check-call?
5. Should I have bet the river?

I'll post what the button had later.

I greatly appreciate any comments as this was one of the concepts from the book that I had difficulty wrapping my mind around.
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