JJ, do we continue on the turn?

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@jba, will we call the river when the board pairs? If so, don't we only have 3 outs for two pairs that we counterfeit but it commits us to another bb on the river?


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I mention the two pair hands not because of the hidden outs aspect but only to say you should not be as concerned about chopping up a straight. i don't think we should call any board pairing river card.


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We have reverse implied odds of calling when we hit our out and it isn't good, so does this bust up a lot of our outs?


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okay when we hit a tainted straight we are going to call and lose a bet some % of the time but I really don't think it's even 50% but for brevity let's say it is so. so 25% of time time we hit we essentially get neutral implied odds, but 75% of the time we can be pretty sure UTG is going to pay us off at least one bet, the guy likes his hand.

right there I am only talking about our straight outs... the set outs are obviously tainted as well, but again I think we are at least close to neutral implied odds there. overall I believe our implied odds are positive though I grant you it is marginal.