they play bad, do I play worse?

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I get 1:10 odds which means I only need to collect 1 additional BB on a jack. Seems nice.


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You need to collect more than 1 bet. 3 clean outs alone is 14-1, not 11-1. Add additional odds for a redraw against you.

The reason I discount the other out completely is that takes up the partial dirty out plus the possibility that someone may be holding a J.

Mind you, should you see the turn, and the flush J hit, you're not auto-folding to a bet especially if the BB is the one betting. Tough spot to be in, actually.

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When BB bets out I would think that I might get to see the turn for 1 SB (great odds) or 2 SB (since the passive BB will not threebet that often).

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BB is a passive that's just capped preflop and bet the flop into an UTG initial raiser and preflop 3 bettor. That's usually AA or KK. You have an aggressive behind you that 3 bet you(uncharacteristically, according to the OP) and will very likely raise this flop. I don't see this flop going for just 1 bet. Here's to wishful thinking. Figure a 2 bet flop. Also the factor that a player is almost all in which takes away some of your implied odds should you hit your hand.

I think it's a close decision overall.

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