you see that the preflop raiser has QQ. You have T8s. You...

[Big_Jim]

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i am not playing this hand to get him to fold.

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But that's a huge part of the reason why calling here is a good play.

A or K flops about 1/3 of the time... most people are pretty easy to push off their hand at that point.

My intuition tells me that it's much move +EV when facing QQ here than KK/AA, because you still stack them just about as often when you improve, but you also get some good flops that make it real easy to push them off when you're behind.