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Old 11-18-2005, 02:18 PM
DrPhysic DrPhysic is offline
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Default Poker definitions. Totally OT

In updating our poker dictionary for the FAQ, I have run into three words for which the definitions seem a bit interesting. Perhaps our regulars would like to provide a definition or comments to help with these.

Advantage player
The definition currently in the dictionary is taken from Mike Caro University Poker Definitions:
“A thief or cheater, that is, someone who wins by taking an advantage.”

I received this pm from HammeringHank:
Hi Doc,

I must object to your definition of Advantage Player in your online dictionary. An advantage player is generally defined as anyone who gambles with an advantage over the house. It is a term that describes card counters, video poker pros, as well as sports bettors and three card poker players who play with an edge. I have sometimes heard it used to describe winning poker players. I have never heard it used in the manner you describe. I was a card counter for many years before I took up poker and I have many friends who would be appauled. Great job on the dictionary. It's very useful, you just missed one here.
Thanks,
Hank

Clearly a difference of opinion as to the definition of the word. Perhaps a difference in definitions may arise from the viewpoint of the person defining the word. ie: A card counter and a casino probably have differing viewpoints on the skill of the advantage player. Also possible that the useage of the word has changed over time.

Opinions or references that would clarify?

The other two interesting words for definition are: Ethics and Etiquette


The only definition I have found is from the poker terms list on PokerNews.com:
Ethics or Etiquette
“The understandings and courtesies of which violations do not constitute cheating.”

IMO this is not a sufficient definition. It would seem to me that there has to be a difference of connotation and probably denotation between the two words. Slowrolling cards at a showdown is a breach of etiquette, but certainly not unethical. Peeking at someone else’s cards when he does not protect them at a live table may or may not have anything to do with etiquette, but is certainly unethical.

Also, if one defines ethics and or etiquette, the definition of violation of same ie: unethical or breach or etiquette must be consistent with the original definition.

If you check webster you get:
Ethics: the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular group, culture, etc. (and several more definitions less relevant)
Etiquette: 1. conventional requirements as to social behaviour, 2. a prescribed or accepted code of useage in matters of ceremony, 3. the code of ethics of a profession.
Webster is only sort of relevant to a poker context.

Someone care to offer a good definition of each distinguising the two in a poker context?

Discuss please.

Doc
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