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Old 11-16-2005, 06:30 PM
W. Deranged W. Deranged is offline
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Default Re: 5/10 QQ?

Dano,

I think you're confusing some concepts here.

The fact that we can't protect our hand against a good draw is one of the reasons why we wouldn't want to raise the flop. We'd like to protect against A and K holdings here, but a hand like ATs or something might call two cold anyway thinking he has two live overcards.

The turn will greatly define our equity. A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A, or K turn makes it very unlikely that we have the best hand any longer. A blank turn greatly increase the chance we have the best hand. Ramming and jamming the flop when our protection possibilities aren't great and our equity is murky is probably not the best idea.

We really can't call a three-bet on this turn. I've advocated raising the turn, but if we get three-bet we are almost certainly behind. If BB three-bets, we are up against exactly AA and maybe KK the vast majority of the time. If anyone else does, it is almost always a set or a 9. Many river cards can beat us anyway, and we won't have the odds to continue further at that point. There is the outside chance that we get three-bet and everyone calls and so we're getting around 20-1 on our turn call, in which case peeling probably is fine but that's a pretty unlikely scenario. Usually we'll be getting more like 15-1 and it's a pretty straightforward fold.
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