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Absolute Poker overraking? See this HH
Please forgive the bad beat post but it makes their devious tactics painfully obvious because we were both all-in preflop. Raw hand history given because it contains full information. Important stuff bolded.
What they are doing: When a player goes all in in Texas Holdem, they may push more money then is actually called by an opponent if the bettor has more chips than the caller. If this is the case any chips in excess of the called amount is returned to the bettor. Absolute, instead of refunding the uncalled bet, places these extra chips in a side pot. This side pot is raked. It would save this side pot rake if the player bet exactly the amount the caller will call, but this only works if there is one potential caller. Is this fraud? Their rake schedule isn't posted so I have emailed support for it so I can verify what I agreed to in the TOS. Maybe I'm overreacting but it seems like their rake is uncapped ($3 rake in .10/.25 NL? Prima caps it at $.30) and these incorrect side pot rakes are costing high stakes players non-trivial amounts of money. EDIT: from their website: When a player puts the last of their chips into a pot, that player is said to be all-in. An all-in player is not eligible to win any money wagered above their final bet.If a player makes a wager and another player calls him using the last of his chips, any excess part of the bet is returned to the bettor, or it is used to form a side pot with another player or players who matched the amount bet. There is no limitation on the number of side pots. The all-in player is eligible to share in any of the pots that he contributed to, and therefore cannot be forced from the hand. or maybe this is common and I'm a moron for posting. STAGE #205124630: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $0.10 - 2005-10-14 17:41:43 (ET) Table: CLOVER LN. (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer Seat 2 - SHUTTERBUG50 ($8.15 in chips) Seat 3 - FOLDBABYFOLD ($8.25 in chips) Seat 4 - FULLHEEZEY ($10.70 in chips) Seat 6 - YOIMRICK0620 ($25.15 in chips) Seat 8 - JUDASMCFLY ($9.65 in chips) Seat 9 - THEDUSTBUSTR ($35.40 in chips) FOLDBABYFOLD - Posts small blind $0.10 FULLHEEZEY - Posts big blind $0.25 *** POCKET CARDS *** Dealt to THEDUSTBUSTR [Ah Ac] YOIMRICK0620 - Raises $0.75 to $0.75 JUDASMCFLY - Folds THEDUSTBUSTR - Raises $2.25 to $2.25 SHUTTERBUG50 - Folds FOLDBABYFOLD - Folds FULLHEEZEY - Folds YOIMRICK0620 - Raises $5 to $5.75 THEDUSTBUSTR - All-In(Raise) $33.15 to $35.40 YOIMRICK0620 - All-In $19.40 *** FLOP *** [8s 6s 7h] *** TURN *** [8s 6s 7h] [6h] *** RIVER *** [8s 6s 7h 6h] [10s] *** SHOW DOWN *** YOIMRICK0620 - Shows [As Ks] (Flush, ace high) THEDUSTBUSTR - Shows [Ah Ac] (Two Pairs, aces and sixes) THEDUSTBUSTR Collects $9.75 from side pot-1 YOIMRICK0620 Collects $48.15 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total Pot($60.90:$50.65,$10.25) | Rake ($3:$2.50,$0.50) Board [8s 6s 7h 6h 10s] Seat 2: SHUTTERBUG50 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 3: FOLDBABYFOLD (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 4: FULLHEEZEY (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 6: YOIMRICK0620 won Total ($48.15) All-In HI$48.15) with Flush, ace high [As Ks - P:As,P:Ks,B:10s,B:8s,B:6s] Seat 8: JUDASMCFLY Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 9: THEDUSTBUSTR won Total ($9.75) All-In HI$9.75) with Two Pairs, aces and sixes [Ah Ac - P:Ah,P:Ac,B:6s,B:6h,B:10s] |
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