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a ruling from last night (sticky)
This got a little longer than intended, sorry for that
NL Hold Em hand from Ceasars (Atlantic City) last night. I raise PF and get HU with the BB. BB checks the flop, I bet (bluff) $40 and BB check raises all-in for about $100. So far so good. Now, my cards happen to be up against the cusion of the table. I don't know why, I NEVER have them there. I think it may be because I'm in the 6 seat and the players on either side of me seem especially "nosy". My chips are to the left of my cards, about 3 inches from the cusion. In any event, after she check raises for $60 more I reach for the chips on top of my 20 stacks. It was 4 whites and 4 reds. I had been shuffling those particular 8 chips for a while, as I hadn't played a hand in a few orbits. <font color="red"> </font> I brought them across my cards with my right hand, and began shuffling them. It was probably a centimeter (maybe two?) in front of my cards. It was nowhere near looking like a call in any way. My hand never came off the chips, and I was looking straight down as I recall. Dealer, (who seemed to be just waiting for me to do this [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]) immediately announces it as a call, and that I owe $60. DEALER: That's a call ME: Oh c'mon man, are you serious? DEALER: The chips were infront of your cards Me: <sigh> Can I have the floor please? At this point, I'm thinking I have 50:50 chance of saving this $60. A reasonable floorman might determine this was not an angleshot of any kind. Again, I did not go FORWARD with my chips, just the same place I ALWAYS shuffle my chips, and anyone would for that matter. In addition, (I don't know if this matters) there was no action left behind me, as she was all-in and we were HU (does this even matter?) I keep pretty quiet as the dealer explains my "angleshot" to the floorwoman. She looks at me, and I re-enact the sequence of events. FLOORWOMAN: That's not a call, I don't believe that was binding action. ME: Thank you. FLOORWOMAN: You're welcome. I muck my hand. The dealer himself begins to argue with the floor! DEALER: Oh that's not right! Oh that's terrible! Everyone at the table agrees with me. Blah Blah Blah. ME: Can we play the next hand please? Now ANOTHER PLAYER (AP) gets involved, and here's where it gets interesting... AP: Is there anyone here above you? FLOOR: What do you mean? AP: Who is your boss? FLOORWOMAN: Hang on. Another floorman comes over. We go through the same process with him. Original floorwoman is NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. NEW FLOORMAN: Were the chips in front of the cards? ME: I don't know, it was close. DEALER: They were definitely in front of his cards OTHER PLAYER: He has to call! BB: He has to call! DEALER: He has to call! NEW FLOORMAN: You have to call the bet sir. ME: My hand is in the muck, there is no way I'm calling this now. NEW FLOORMAN: Why did you muck? ME: I got a ruling, it was my turn to act, I chose not to call the $60, I mucked. Get this... NEW FLOORMAN: What did you have? ( [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]) ME: I don't remember Now he has a little "confrence" with yet another floorman. He comes back after about 10 seconds and says.... "Either call the $60 or you can rack up and leave the game" As I'm racking my chips I hear him say under his breath "He'll never be allowed back here, don't worry". BB tells the floor she's gonna call the gaming commission. Was all this warranted? |
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