vulnerable hand: wait for the turn?

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Pop the flop he might three bet, when you just call if he's thinking at all he thinks you probably have overcards, so, he may check a "scary" turn and you lose that value.

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I agree with this. There's a place for waiting until the turn to raise for value but it's usually in bigger pots with more opponents, when your flop edge is likely not very strong. In this case, your flop edge is likely very very strong and you're missing bets by not raising.

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This hand is very close to a hand from SSHE (page 187) with the exception that the pot is not yet very large. I think this is a very close decision and thats is why I posted it. My equity on the turn changes so much that I really wanted to get my raise in then. This is as much a ploy to maximize value as raising the flop. Part of the decision is knowing just how bad these guys are.

I can understand those that say that an overcard will scare them but that is okay because it will scare me too. The gamble is that when another baby card comes off I will get two double bets out of both the donks. For those of you saying he won't bet the turn clearly you don't play in this game often. This guy fires at a blank turn 100% of the time because he is certain I have overs. (that is just how they think)

This reminds me of the movie Colors with sean penn and robert duvall. The exact details are hard to remember but duvall is the old guy and he tells the yound guy (penn), "there are two bulls sitting on the top of a hill. The young one says let run down into the valley and fucck one of those cows. The old one says lets walk down there and fuuck them all!"