online single table tournaments vs limit ring games.

[Copernicus]

If you took the time to read before responding you would noticd that I said 2 tablers. Your $21 is close for finishing 2.5 in a 1 tabler, and your suggestion that my number is close to coming in first, that also looks like a 1 tabler.

My numbers are what I am doing in 2 tablers, day in and day out, 3-4 days a week, 2 or 3 SnGs a day.

If you still think my calculation is wrong:

The payouts are 216, 162, 108, 54. Average payout finishing at 2.5 is 140.

Doing it the long way, .6*(140-33)-.4*(33) = .6*140-33. (You collect 140 60% of the time, pay 33 100% of the time). 84-33=51.

What does a 60% itm finish represent? There are 18 players to start, and a minimum of 3-4 of them are dead money, bluffing all-in on any decent sized pot that is checked to them, or calling pre-flop all-ins with hands as weak as AJ, Axs or KTs. Knock them out and with 4 places paid you only have 10 or 11 opponents to pass to get in the money...ie your random in the money percentage is in the high 20%s. (part of the reason for the number of awful players may be the time of day I play...before work hours M-F. A lot of these guys are always pushing for play to speed up, so they are obviously looking to get to work. Get one of the them in a heads up game or heads up at the end of a 2 tabler close to 9 am and they are pressing every hand.

Once you know who the all-iners are you are almost assured of doubling up sometime in the first two rounds, because no one else is calling them. By far the biggest piece of the 40% out of the money is when one of those guys has a real hand or sucks out on you early on.

From the leveraged stack those guys give you early on, tight aggressive play mixed with an occasional Axs or connected suiters in position vacuums up the chips...more than 1/2 the pots go unraised pre-flop once those all-iners are gone. It is easy to leverage the high 20% random finish into the low to mid-50s when you start with twice the chips so often.

Eeking out those extra few perecent is bubble play when you take some hits to the large stack when the blinds are big. Clamp down when you drop to 3rd place out of 6 or 7, playing only super-premium hands, and a couple of others will misplay their small stacks for you, going all-in against big stacks with low pair, etc.

It is boring as hell, but so is work. Too bad work pays more, or that I cant milk the 50 or 100 games for anywhere near that itm percentage.

BTW my in the money % on 1 tablers (3 places paid out of 9) is close to 75% but the buy in is high relative to a sub-2d place average finish, so they dont pay off as well.

I am not the only one doing it either. "you again" is the most common greeting when it gets down to 2 or 3 players fighting for the top prize.