Understanding Aggression Factor for Loose Players

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There's been some talk on here about how AF numbers are lower when a person is seeing a lot of flops. This is because they have weaker hands on average and are forced to do more calling. Thus they have to do a serious amount of betting and raising to make this fraction [ (bet+raise)/(call)] a large number. Thus a player with VPIP 70 and AF of 1 is fairly aggressive.

What I haven't seen posted, however, is an attempt at a conversion. FOr instance, a player with a VPIP of 30 and an aggression factor of 3 is equivalent to a player with VPIP 60 and AF X. Has anyone attempted to do such a table. Is anyone willing?

I think this is pretty important because I still don't have a great grasp on understanding AF for loose players. For players with VPIP similar to mine, I just compare their's to mine.

Here's one thing I've realized that might be useful. Player A has vpip 75 and player B has vpip 30. The difference in true aggression between an A with .5 AF and an A with 1 AF is much larger than the difference between a B with AF of 2.5 and a B with AF of 3. In other words, for a given increase in AF number, a player who sees more flops will have a much larger actual increase in aggression than one who sees less.

This is easy to understand when you think about the AF fraction. Loose players have a very large denominator, so an increase of X in the numerator (more bets and raises) will have a relatively small increase in the total fraction, even though their aggression is significantly greater.

Has this been discussed before? Does anyone have any more input?