Why do Jews Reject Jesus - Part 2

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If the standard of truth isn't the Hebrew bible, but rather whoever has the biggest miracle, regardless of how ridiculous the message, then Hinduism or some other religion may be the true religion.

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Since of course we Christians do believe in the hebrew bible, even though believing it to have been largely superseded, you effectively get a tautological free ride with us. This is not the case with those who don't believe in judeo-christianity at all, and you need to address them as well without resorting to an axiomatic assumption of the hebrew bible's truth.

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But I have addressed this extensively other threads, and it is you Christians who aren't addressing my points.

First, in the Hebrew bible God says His Torah is be observed forever, even after the real messiah comes. He tells us not to add to it, nor diminish from it (Dt. 4:2). In other words, it will never be superseded. The Torah is perfect, and God's laws are absolute and eternal. It doesn't make sense that God would keep redefining what is right or wrong, completely contradicting Himself in the process.

Second, He commands us to go to our own sages for questions of interpretation (Dt 17:8-13). In the time of Jesus, this would be Rabbis, levitic priests and the Sanhedrin. None of them accepted Jesus as the messiah, so we should follow their ruling, and reject jesus. In any case, he didn't fulfill any of the messianic prophecies. Why should we believe that God was also lying about what the messiah will do?

Third, God specifically commands us not to follow those like the gt authors who tell us to follow other gods (like Jesus) and who say that the Torah no longer has to be followed. Even if they produce a miracle (Deut 13:1-5), we must not follow them. As I said in the other thread:

"The problem is that many religions claim miracles. It would be impossible to investigate them all to see which, if any are, real miracles. God tells us simply to obey what He told us, to follow His Torah. That is the standard of what is true, not who produces the biggest miracle. Riding to heaven on a white horse is a pretty big miracle too, yet Christians don't become Muslims because of that. I doubt they've investigated any of the miracles of Hindus or Buddhists either. They just believe what they want to. In the bible, Elijah raised someone from the dead, but we don't worship him or assume he's the messiah. The real messiah will fulfill the messianic prophecies."

It is you Christians who haven't addressed the issue: If God lies and changes His mind; if He is superseding something He had claimed was eternal, if He wanted us Jews to follow someone that He had commanded us not to follow, to commit what He had previously said was idolatry; and if we were supposed to know this because of an alleged miracle recorded decades after it alleged happened, then He may have done so again. Christianity may no longer be the correct religion, and Christians should be investigating the miraculous claims made for other religions. Your "new covenant" may longer be in effect.

Why should we find the gt any more believable than the Koran or Book of Mormon? They are all books which contradict the Hebrew bible and claim that God changed His mind. We are supposed to follow each because Jesus, Mohammed and Joseph Smith were all allegedly sent by God, and each "holy" book claims miracles to prove it. Why should we accept the gt, yet reject the other two? None of you have given a good answer to this question, or even addressed the issue at all.

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As a suggestion, since these posts now bear no resemblence to the OP's post, why don't you two start a second "Why Jews Reject Jesus" thread. The original one is so long now it should be locked by the moderator.

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Very good idea.