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Old 07-17-2005, 02:57 PM
Gramps Gramps is offline
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Default Re: 3/8 ppls at table flame me. I contend this was a brilliant push.

(a) I recognize at least one name of the limpers who's somewhat loose and likely to call your push with a semi-wide range of hands;

(b) You have plenty of chips (17 BB), no need to stick your neck out uneccessarily;

(c) Would you push 87s at the 75/150 level for 800 from UTG 7-handed (6 people left to act like here)? That's somewhat borderline, plus you have a bunch of factors working against you in this 25/50 hand:
-The BB is only 50 here vs. 150 in the 75/150 example, so you have plenty more time;
-Your push here screams "I'm stealing with semi-crap" - you will get looked up here often enough with non-premium hands (that you're a sizable dog against);
-3 players to act have money invested already, meaning you're not stealing against 3 random hands, but three hands worthy of a BB investment.
-People do limp big hands to trap loose pushers all the time at 25/50 (chances are it's not, but it's more than a rare occurrence);

(d) I love playing against players that make these push plays. I see crap once, note gets taken, I know I can call with a wider range of hands for a solid +EV play. There's a (more selective) time and place to push crap on limpers, but a much better play on the short(ish) stack is to push a hand that doesn't do great in a multiway pot, but does decently (like 50%&gt against the likely range of calling hands. IMO anyway.
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