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I've been digging up in the old archives in the mid section back from 2000 to 2003.
If there is enough interest, I am thinking of pulling some hands from there and opening them up for discussion again on here. Here's a post Jim Brier made back in August 2000 and I was a bit surprised at Mason's response: Jim wrote: Posted by: Jim Brier 30/60 Posted on: Friday, 18 August 2000, at 12:54 p.m. I am in Seat #3 as the big blind holding the 6h5h. #4 limps in under the gun and #7 raises to $60. #9 calls. I call for another $30. #4 calls. There is $260 in the pot and four players. The flop is: Kh5s2c I check my middle pair in this raised pot. #4 checks. #7, the pre-flop raiser, bets $30. #9 folds. I call for $30 with almost $300 in the pot with my 5 outer. #4 calls. There is $350 in the pot and three players. The turn is: 6d I check, planning to check-raise since #7 was the pre-flop raiser and bet the flop when it came King-high. But #4 checks. #7 checks. My plan failed. The river is: Qs I now bet $30 and only #7 calls. I win as he mucks. Comments please. Mason responded: Posted by: Mason Malmuth (MasonMalmuth@TwoPlusTwo.com) Posted on: Saturday, 19 August 2000, at 4:18 a.m. Jim: I haven't read the other comments, but here are mine. Mason "I am in Seat #3 as the big blind holding the 6h5h. #4 limps in under the gun and #7 raises to $60. #9 calls. I call for another $30." I agree with this call. "#4 calls. There is $260 in the pot and four players." The flop is: Kh5s2c "I check my middle pair in this raised pot. #4 checks. #7, the pre-flop raiser, bets $30. #9 folds. I call for $30 with almost $300 in the pot with my 5 outer. #4 calls. There is $350 in the pot and three players." You have a problem here. Your hand may be best. With that being the case, you may have wanted to consider leading with a bet. However, I frequently would check to watch the action. Given that you did this, I would strongly consider check raising. This raise would be especially good against a player who migh call your check raise with something like a pair of jacks, but then fold on fourth street unless he improves (or picks up a draw). "The turn is: 6d "I check, planning to check-raise since #7 was the pre-flop raiser and bet the flop when it came King-high. But #4 checks. #7 checks. My plan failed." There's a lot to consider here. I certainly would go for the check raise against someone who is prone to bet again without having a king (or better). However, you should strongly consider betting since there is a good chance the before the flop bettor does not have a king. (If he does have something like AK he may raise after you bet so the two bets go in anyway. "The river is: Qs" "I now bet $30 and only #7 calls. I win as he mucks." If you check here, and the other player checks, you are both telling the original raiser that you don't have a king, and probably don't have a queen. If he holds a queen, he should be inclined to bet it, especially if he is aggressive. I'm not saying it's right, but you should have considered going for a checkraise. Anyone here agree/disagree with Mason? Lawrence |
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