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Old 07-10-2005, 03:15 PM
Scooterdoo Scooterdoo is offline
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Default ME bustout hand -- interesting story

I put a version of this in the wrong forum yesterday about 20 minutes after it happened. I was a bit shell-shocked and had a few details wrong. Now that I have had 24 hours to think about it I'll post it correctly in the correct forum. Any thoughts and discusion will be welcome.

Second level (50/100). I've been going up and down, about 2k here and there since the tournament started. I'm at 8-9k and see 99 from MP and raise to 300. The BB raises me 1300. He's been playing lots of hands. I think for quite a while and am leaning toward folding, but there is just too good a chance that he has AK or AQ. It doesn't seem like he really wants a call. I finally decide that there is just too good a chance that I have the best hand right now so I decide to call (probably the biggest mistake I made in the hand, however, the flop decision was a close second).

The flop comes JJ rag. The BB takes his time and is clearly shaking. I'm pretty sure he either has a big hand like AA/KK or more likely hit the flop. He goes to drink his coffee as he ponders the play and has to put it down because he can't hold it. Hmmm. He throws in 500. I'm sure he has something good and I even say to him that I notice him shaking and he probably really likes his hand. No comment. I figure I'm behind, but it's just 500 more into a 3k pot so I don't feel I can stop now. This was a big mistake in retrospect. I read him great as you'll see but now that I read him I need to act on it. What could he have that I can reasonably beat given the preflop raise? The only preflop hand I could put him on that I'm ahead is AK/AQ. If he has that why bet 500. He either checks or makes a bigger continuation bet. Even if he made a really loose raise with 88 or 77 preflop, why bet just 500 now. I have to fold here, forget the great pot odds and the huge implied odds if I hit my full house. Thoughts?

The turn of course is my miracle card -- the 9. I have to put him on AJ or JJ or AA/KK, but if he has JJ, so be it. He now checks. I think of betting, but I really want all his chips now so decide if I check it's likely I can raise on the river when he bets which I'm pretty sure he'll do if I check now.

The river is a low rag. He quickly bets 5k. Again, I just can't fold assuming he has JJ, so I put the rest of my chips in, about 7k. He turns over JJ for quads!
should I have just called here? Any way to fold? It just didn't dawn on me that he realistically had JJ, but again, if I really thought it through JJ made a lot of sense given the preflop action and what he did on the flop. Even with such great info and the read on the flop, can you really be scared of quads?

Now the fun starts -- yes, it's not over. The dealer starts to give back my 2k more as the guy is taking in the pot and I say wait a second. I pushed all my chips in and he didn't call me. He just turned over his cards -- are you guys following this?

The floor woman comes over and rules that when he turned over his cards and showed his hand his intention was clearly to call. But I said he never said call or even acknowledged my raise. Hey, I wasn't being a dick about it. I realize I was beat, but I just wanted a fair ruling. She rules that he gets all my chips, which I guess was the right thing to do. The funny thing was that I still would have had 2k left if I didn't say anything. Oh, well. She did say that if he had just a mediocre hand and I was bluffing so he had me beat, she would have possibly ruled that I win the pot since he could have reasonably folded to my re-raise. But here there was no way he would fold here. I also could have argued that I should get back my 2k since I never said all-in (I just pushed my chips) and the dealer never acknoweldged it. However, I really had no strength to argue and be a poor sport at the time.

Thoughts would be appreciated.
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