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Old 07-02-2005, 02:02 PM
Mathieu Mathieu is offline
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Default Flop play: bottom pair + bdfd

When the bet comes from your right and the pot is big, SSH recommends raising with hands like bottom/middle pair +bdfd if doing so will increase your winning chances.

I find these hands more difficult to play when the pot is more than big enough to call (if I am last to act), but perhaps not big enough to warrant a raise.

In the hand below, CO (the preflop raiser) bets, and btn, (very LP) calls. The 4 remaining players are LOOSE and not very aggressive. CO will almost never reraise a strong hand on the flop, but he likes to go nuts on the river.


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Preflop: Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ... </font>

I'm getting 9-1 from the pot so I should call if I'm last to act. With 4 players behind me should I try to clear my outs by raising, or should I just call and hope no one raises behind me?

With at most 6.5 outs, I need more than 6.23 to 1 to make a call correct, getting 9-1 I can probably call and the overlay should compensate for the times it gets raised behind me. Is that correct?

Raising appears to be -EV whith that pot size, unless I make it up with implied odds when I improve by catching a 9 (the outs I was trying to clean).

So what's your play in this spot? How big would the pot have to be for raising to be correct?
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