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These are some hand histories and emails pertaining to a sit and go tourament I played, I am posting both here and in 1 table tourneys since I think the flaw probably exists in both places.
***** Hand History for Game 1840527343 ***** 200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 10984971) - Sun Apr 03 20:48:24 EDT 2005 Table Table 14451 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button Total number of players : 8 Seat 1: BoiledOver (885) Seat 2: rlgetchips (1425) Seat 3: XLhomestead (1150) Seat 4: Jcardshark11 (2510) Seat 5: Braindead9 (1610) Seat 7: renjer5 (925) Seat 8: LkyJeremiah (380) Seat 9: MittRomney (1115) renjer5 posts small blind (100) LkyJeremiah posts big blind (200) ** Dealing down cards ** MittRomney folds. BoiledOver raises (885) to 885 BoiledOver is all-In. rlgetchips folds. XLhomestead folds. Jcardshark11 folds. Braindead9 folds. renjer5 folds. LkyJeremiah calls (180) LkyJeremiah is all-In. Creating Main Pot with $860 with LkyJeremiah Creating Side Pot 1 with $505 with BoiledOver ** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7c, Qs, Ts ] ** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6c ] ** Dealing River ** : [ 4c ] ** Summary ** Main Pot: 860 | Side Pot 1: 505 Board: [ 7c Qs Ts 6c 4c ] BoiledOver balance 1365, bet 885, collected 1365, net +480 [ Kh Qc ] [ a pair of queens -- Kh,Qc,Qs,Ts,7c ] rlgetchips balance 1425, didn't bet (folded) XLhomestead balance 1150, didn't bet (folded) Jcardshark11 balance 2510, didn't bet (folded) Braindead9 balance 1610, didn't bet (folded) renjer5 balance 825, lost 100 (folded) LkyJeremiah balance 0, lost 380 [ Ac 4h ] [ a pair of fours -- Ac,Qs,Ts,4h,4c ] MittRomney balance 1115, didn't bet (folded) ***** Hand History for Game 1840529412 ***** LkyJeremiah finished in eighth place. 200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 10984971) - Sun Apr 03 20:48:47 EDT 2005 Table Table 14451 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button Total number of players : 7 Seat 1: BoiledOver (1365) Seat 2: rlgetchips (1425) Seat 3: XLhomestead (1150) Seat 4: Jcardshark11 (2510) Seat 5: Braindead9 (1610) Seat 7: renjer5 (825) Seat 9: MittRomney (1115) MittRomney posts big blind (200) ** Dealing down cards ** BoiledOver folds. rlgetchips folds. XLhomestead folds. Jcardshark11 folds. Braindead9 folds. renjer5 raises (825) to 825 renjer5 is all-In. MittRomney calls (625) Creating Main Pot with $1650 with renjer5 ** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6d, 7d, 6c ] ** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jc ] ** Dealing River ** : [ 4s ] ** Summary ** Main Pot: 1650 | Board: [ 6d 7d 6c Jc 4s ] BoiledOver balance 1365, didn't bet (folded) rlgetchips balance 1425, didn't bet (folded) XLhomestead balance 1150, didn't bet (folded) Jcardshark11 balance 2510, didn't bet (folded) Braindead9 balance 1610, didn't bet (folded) renjer5 balance 0, lost 825 [ 7h 8h ] [ two pairs, sevens and sixes -- Jc,7h,7d,6d,6c ] MittRomney balance 1940, bet 825, collected 1650, net +825 [ Td Jd ] [ two pairs, jacks and sixes -- Jd,Jc,Td,6d,6c ] ***** Hand History for Game 1840531713 ***** renjer5 finished in seventh place. 200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 10984971) - Sun Apr 03 20:49:12 EDT 2005 Table Table 14451 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button Total number of players : 6 Seat 1: BoiledOver (1365) Seat 2: rlgetchips (1425) Seat 3: XLhomestead (1150) Seat 4: Jcardshark11 (2510) Seat 5: Braindead9 (1610) Seat 9: MittRomney (1940) MittRomney posts small blind (100) BoiledOver posts big blind (200) ** Dealing down cards ** rlgetchips folds. XLhomestead raises (1100) to 1100 Jcardshark11 folds. Braindead9 folds. MittRomney folds. BoiledOver folds. ** Summary ** Main Pot: 1400 BoiledOver balance 1165, lost 200 (folded) rlgetchips balance 1425, didn't bet (folded) XLhomestead balance 1450, bet 1100, collected 1400, net +300 Jcardshark11 balance 2510, didn't bet (folded) Braindead9 balance 1610, didn't bet (folded) MittRomney balance 1840, lost 100 (folded) My first email to them I have attached three consecutive hands from a sit and go I recently played, the hands occured in the order they are attached the top one first. You will notice that the game has over 6 players and on the first and third of the consecutive hands seat 5 is the button. An occurance like this is inexcusable and you need to act immediatly to correct this flaw in your tourney software or it may cause me to stop playing at your site completely. I would ask that the buy-ins of each player involved who was left when this occured be refunded either in cash or bonus, something like this compromises the fairness of the tournament in allowing the player who recieved the button twice an unfair positional edge in more hands than is his share. The reply: Dear (Player) Thank you for contacting us. Players inherit any obligations (taking the Blinds) or receive any benefits (getting the button) when transferred as a result of their table breaking down in a multi table tournament. However in a single table tournament, if the player gets eliminated in that hand, where the button had to move to that particular player, then the player who had the button would receive the button again so that the player who has to post the small blind can post his blinds. Players are dealt in the next hand after a transfer (unless they are moved into the small blind position). Players are informed when they are transferred (and when others are transferred to their table). In transferring players from one table to another to keep tables balanced, we try to be "as fair as possible" to players to maintain the same distance from the blind after the transfer. If you have any questions or suggestions, please do not hesitate to contact our Customer Care Department at any time. We are here 24/7 to assist you via email. Thank you for choosing us as your online gaming site! Shalini Poker Customer Care My reply to that: Hello, As this was a single table tournament I am responding to the portion of your response concerning those. The situation you describe is if the player who would be the button the next hand is eliminated. Then the button would stay in the same place for two consecutive hands. While I may disagree with this and would not do it in a tourney I was running, I understand a large number of places do and believe it is a valid way of handling the situation. This is not what occured in this situation. What happened there is in the 2nd hand I sent the player who was the button was eliminated, instead of the button moving to the next player at the table in the correct direction, it literally moved backward a seat. This is completely illogical and I can't see a reasonalbe explanation for why it should be allowed to occur. As I provide your site with 150-200 dollars in revenue a day I would hope in the future you could actually take the time to read my complaints and actually figure out what they are, I don't attempt to waste your time with complaints that I don't believe are warrented and I would appreciate it if you wouldn't waste my time with responses that indicate you haven't taken the time to actually read my email completely. I am still awaiting a reply for that 5 hours later. If they don't actually do anything for me in their next email to me I have the following quote lined up for my reply from their rules on the website "Texas Hold’em uses what is called a “dealer button” (a small disc) to indicate the theoretical dealer of each hand. After each hand is completed, the dealer button moves clockwise to the next active player. This player will be considered “the dealer” for that hand. In this way each player has equal opportunities to be in early, middle and late position." |
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